Comments on: Gotta disagree with you here, thunderf00t https://the-orbit.net/zinniajones/2012/06/gotta-disagree-with-you-here-thunderf00t/ Secular Trans Feminism Tue, 03 Jun 2014 03:18:46 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.1.6 By: Projection » Almost Diamonds https://the-orbit.net/zinniajones/2012/06/gotta-disagree-with-you-here-thunderf00t/#comment-2649 Tue, 03 Jun 2014 03:18:46 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/zinniajones/?p=982#comment-2649 […] Here’s where they refused to provide any detail for assertions they were making about me. […]

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By: r4i https://the-orbit.net/zinniajones/2012/06/gotta-disagree-with-you-here-thunderf00t/#comment-2648 Thu, 14 Mar 2013 01:45:09 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/zinniajones/?p=982#comment-2648 HC showdown brother for the first time in history [Preview] SB, maximum key 47th Super Bowl teams to clash with the San Francisco · 49ers QB Baltimore Ravens (SB). It is the first confrontation HC brother John Harvuot of Ravens, 49ers league history by Jim Harbor main attraction is when all is said r4i http://www.r4kaartr4i.org

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By: cityzenjane https://the-orbit.net/zinniajones/2012/06/gotta-disagree-with-you-here-thunderf00t/#comment-2647 Sun, 08 Jul 2012 09:49:57 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/zinniajones/?p=982#comment-2647 In reply to sofiarune.

TFoot – lost me YEARS ago when he proved to be as pigheaded and obtuse about questions around the intersections of race/ethnicity/religion – as he has proven to be about sexism. I suspect he lost a lot of viewers that go round…and gained the ones who were AS obtuse.

Hence, the poll thing is hilarious…if he has a skeptic card to lose…he should lose it on that basis alone.

I was shocked to hear he had a place to blog here and relieved to hear it didn’t work out.

As for his free speech….he can blog/vlog where ever he wants.

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By: Maruku https://the-orbit.net/zinniajones/2012/06/gotta-disagree-with-you-here-thunderf00t/#comment-2646 Wed, 04 Jul 2012 07:01:59 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/zinniajones/?p=982#comment-2646 You make great points overall. I think Thunderf00t should probably use his poll to demonstrate what he really wants to instead of doing what you claimed he did (which he really did).

It’s obvious he wants to demonstrate that PZ Meyers is being an idiot even if he may feel unprofessional saying so. I kinda wish he just would say something of the sort, if that’s how he sees it, though.

Of course, only if he backs it up with evidence (like he’s been doing pretty well so far).

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By: klatu https://the-orbit.net/zinniajones/2012/06/gotta-disagree-with-you-here-thunderf00t/#comment-2645 Sun, 01 Jul 2012 20:55:16 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/zinniajones/?p=982#comment-2645 It’s been confirmed that TF and Greg Laden will leave FTB.
Can’t say I’m sorry to see them go.

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By: Jayceemess https://the-orbit.net/zinniajones/2012/06/gotta-disagree-with-you-here-thunderf00t/#comment-2644 Sun, 01 Jul 2012 20:11:32 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/zinniajones/?p=982#comment-2644 thunderf00t has been dull as dishwater here so far, and I really wish that his cheesy controversy-generating tactics didn’t ALWAYS work. I will resume reading if he ever laughs at creationists again. The feud with PZ is such a yawn. The f00t is a pathologically defensive, wrongheaded jerk, apparently. Like other good dogmatic thinkers, he’ll defend his nonsense beyond the lowest depths of tedium. Sounds like a Christian to me. Now I shall shut up about it, lest I stoke this silly flame war.

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By: ruteekatreya https://the-orbit.net/zinniajones/2012/06/gotta-disagree-with-you-here-thunderf00t/#comment-2643 Sun, 01 Jul 2012 20:01:54 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/zinniajones/?p=982#comment-2643 Oh no, a bunch of cis, hetero, able, NT white dudes in a movement that is majority cis, hetero, able, nt white dudes are objecting to a space being less terrible than normal. Frankly, I’m pretty sure Thunderf00t is more representative of the wider atheist movement, and would have said that before this argument; I just don’t see how that would make him correct or right, it would just mean the skeptic movement mostly sucks.

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By: Ace of Sevens https://the-orbit.net/zinniajones/2012/06/gotta-disagree-with-you-here-thunderf00t/#comment-2642 Sun, 01 Jul 2012 17:41:53 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/zinniajones/?p=982#comment-2642 In reply to karmakin.

The left/right axis is also false, though in that case, mainly because both ends are ill-defined. Libertarianism and authoritarianism are relative well-defined, but not opposites.

The main problem is that maximally libertarian policies do not provide the most liberty/least control. An organization needs some authority to ensure liberty. In the convention example, if the organizers didn’t tell anyone what to do or say and people took advantage of this to bully other people because no could tell them to leave, that does not provide the most freedom for the most people.

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By: Iamcuriousblue https://the-orbit.net/zinniajones/2012/06/gotta-disagree-with-you-here-thunderf00t/#comment-2641 Sun, 01 Jul 2012 17:34:27 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/zinniajones/?p=982#comment-2641 In reply to karmakin.

How is the “libertarian/authoritarian” axis false in a way that “left/right” aren’t? And why is any kind of anti-authoritarianism so wrong (even from the point of view of leaning that way somewhere along a scale) from a “social justice” point of view, that actually leaning somewhere toward authoritarianism is preferable. I’d really like to at least understand where the ideology being pushed around these parts is coming from, even if I can’t say I’m exactly a convert so far.

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By: Ace of Sevens https://the-orbit.net/zinniajones/2012/06/gotta-disagree-with-you-here-thunderf00t/#comment-2640 Sun, 01 Jul 2012 12:34:17 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/zinniajones/?p=982#comment-2640 In reply to Iamcuriousblue.

You’re reading a lot into that comment. The idea that is that completely anti-authoritarian, hands-off leadership will just lead to some other group exploiting their power over another. Protecting freedom does require some amount of coercion and the libertarian/authoritarian axis is false.

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