Oh, Youth Defence: Roundup of the weekend that was

There’s nothing I’d rather be doing on the weekend after a massive pro-choice meeting and ginormous anti-choice demo than bashing out a great big post on all of my (extensive) opinions on the matter. However, Real Life has intervened and I’m down in Cork visiting family, learning to drive bikes and being distracted by my folks’ adorable new dog. It turns out that many of the country’s must-read bloggers have been hard at work at their keyboards while I was working off my anti-choicer induced stress on roller skates. Here’s a few to get you started:

The ‘Vigil’ for Life’s organisers (by the way, I’ve never experienced a noisier vigil in my life. Seemed more like a great big rally than a nice quiet vigil to me. Especially with the massive sound systems they brought in) claim that they had ~30,000 people. Since they were the ones that bussed them in, you’d think that they’d have decent idea of how many there were. Derek Walsh, though, had this to point out:

The two pics he linked to? Here:


That second pic, by the way, is from a Guinness world record attempt at getting the most number of people dressed as Wally/Waldo in one place. So those numbers? Verified. And while there do look to be more people in the top picture, I’d be immensely surprised if it was an actual order of magnitude more.

However, I don’t have to be! Broadsheet.ie, Oireachtas Retort and the WSM have all been hard at work counting lampposts and plugging areas into apps, and have come up with a number of about 14k. Which is a lot of people. But nowhere near the 25-30k that the ‘Vigil’ for Life claim.

Elsewhere in the rich and colourful land of what passes in certain camps for ‘facts’, Edinburgh Eye had something to say about ‘prolife bollocks’, taking a look at the leaflets distributed on Saturday:

The leaflet says:

“An Abortion Truth. A six-month-old aborted baby had his testicles transplanted into a 28-year-old Lebanese man who had been unable to become fully sexually active. The surgery was successful, the donor baby was killed.

If a man has been “unable to become fully sexually active”, no doctor in the world would recommend a testicle transplant.

Good to know. Although what use a pair of fetal testicles would be to a fully grown man, I have no idea.

Moving extremely swiftly on to the clear waters of evidence and facts, here’s Geoff’s Shorts bringing some statistics to the theory that Irish Catholics are all anti-choice:

Of all the people I spoke to that day the one who’s been most in my thoughts is Brigid.

It’s not her real name. I recall our longest conversation: she took me aside and with near painful shyness said she’d rather not have her picture taken, “in case people back home found out”. Before that I’d offered her a newspaper. She seemed to have arrived alone and made quickly for the rear row of seats. I read her as nervous; a woman of my parent’s generation in a room that at the time leaned heavily towards those in their twenties. She seemed determined to do something but worried of ramifications. We’d been briefed of potential anti abortion disruptions.

She sat quietly through the initial presentation. Then came questions and answers, with her hesitantly raising her hand and then thinking the better of it. A few questions from others saw her resolve returned and she asked for the microphone. Finding her voice she told us she is a mass-going Catholic, how she is pro choice, and how hard it can be for her believing abortion to be a matter of personal conscience in a setting so hostile to the expression of such views. The Irish Pro Choice movement does not do free buses;  Brigid had travelled considerable distance at her own expense to be able to freely state her position.

Thank you, Brigid. In light of her story, this next link seems appropriate: Red Wine & Brie writing about abortion and how Ireland forgot it was a democracy:

[in 1992] the people voted but it appeared the government didn’t care. One of the main tasks of any country’s government (particularly in a democracy) is to legislate on what the people have voted on and adjust the constitution accordingly, but this didn’t happen. The government buried their heads in the sand and refused to act and refused to listen to the will of the people.

Nothing happened until 2002 when the government and Taoiseach Bertie Ahern (because of a promise made to his mother) decided to hold another referendum to remove the threat of suicide… Once again the people voted to retain the risk of suicide as a real and substantial risk and once again the government failed to do their duty and legislate.
In 2010 three women, know as A, B and C took a case against Ireland to the European Court of Human Rights. The Court ruled in the case of C that Ireland had violated article 8 of the European Convention of Human Rights… The ECHR recommended that Ireland would have to clarify whether and under which circumstances an abortion may be performed to save the life of a pregnant women…
How can we criticise processes in places like Russia, the Middle East, Zimbabwe etc., when we appear to be a democracy in name only, when our own government doesn’t respect our voices… This debate is not just about abortion, it is about respecting the democratic process that our country was once so proud of and making Ireland into a democracy that we can be proud of once again.
I’m sure people have written more that I’ve missed- do share any links you find, or pieces you’re written yourself, in the comments.


Oh, Youth Defence: Roundup of the weekend that was

Monday’s Cork Pro-Choice Meeting Part One: The Speakers

poster for Cork for Choice public meeting

A public meeting on “It’s My Choice” was held on Monday night in Cork. Still buzzing from the planning meeting in Dublin last Saturday and visiting Cork for a few days (Hello Cork!), I said I’d head along to it and see what the pro-choice dialogue is like in this part of the country.

There were three speakers at the meeting: Clare Daly TD from the United Left Alliance, Dr Mary Favier from Doctors for Choice, and UCC Lecturer in Law Claire Murray. They were followed by extensive- and heated- discussion. Because the meeting was a few hours long and I don’t want to leave anything out, I’m going to split this into two parts.

If you’re well up on the legal, political and medical situations on abortion in Ireland and just want to see the (rather heated) discussion, have no fear! I’ll have that up tomorrow. There will be kittens.

Claire Murray and the law

“The right to life of the unborn is protected in Irish law, but must be balanced against the equal right to life of the mother”

Claire Murray was the first to speak, about the realities of the legal situation in Ireland relating to abortion: what the right to abortion is in Ireland, the difficulties pregnant people face accessing that right, and Ireland’s responsibilities regarding it. She started with Ireland’s abortion legislation: the 1861 Offences Against the Persons Act. Although there has never in living memory been a prosecution under this outdated Act, it continues, according to the European Court of Human Rights, to have a ‘chilling’ effect on doctors here. The other legal framework affecting abortion here is the Constitution. Constitutionally, the right to life of the unborn is protected in Irish law, but this must be balanced with the equal right to life of the mother. Therefore, there is a right to abortion in Ireland only where there is a “real and substantial” risk to the life of the mother. Confusion and grey areas arise because there is no clear definition of either “unborn” or “real and substantial risk” in Irish law. This means that there is no clear procedure for doctors to follow in cases where a pregnant person may be facing a risk to their life.

“For rights to be meaningful, they must be accessible”

Dr Murray continued her talk referencing a 2010 ruling of the European Court of Human Rights on abortion in Ireland. According to the ECHR, it is within the rights of Ireland to decide when abortion is and is not allowed in our state. Nevertheless, where constitutional rights exist, the state has a positive obligation to make them accessible, clarify precisely what they are and to provide for them. Ireland’s current situation has led to a discord between theoretical and practical rights. For rights to be meaningful, they must be accessible. The rulings of the ECHR are binding. Ireland must put measures in place to prevent further breaches of its obligations. If the state ignores its requirements, it cannot be forced to comply- but it can face sanctions up to suspension or expulsion from the Council of Europe.

In response to the ECHR, the government set up an Expert Group to look into the issue of legislating for the X Case and consitutional provisions on abortion. They produced a list of options for action: guidelines, legislation, or a combination of the two. While they cannot be seen to be in favour of one option or the other, it’s clear that a combination allows for both clarity and flexibility. Guidelines alone would not be legally binding, whereas legislation alone would be inflexible.

In closing, Claire stressed one thing. Even the most comprehensive legislation for X will only provide for the life of the woman. It will not protect a woman whose health is endangered. It will not provide for women whose fetuses are suffering from fatal abnormalities incompatible with life. It will not provide for adults and children pregnant as a result of rape or incest. We need more.

Clare Daly TD and Campaigning

“We’ve been dealing with this for decades: how many more will we have to put up with?”

Next up was Clare Daly TD on political campaigning around abortion. Clare began by pointing out that she has been involved with abortion campaigning for a quarter-century, ever since her student days. But today’s Ireland is dramatically different to the country where she started campaigning for the right to information, and most people here now understand that abortion is an issue that should be solely between a woman and her doctor.

“The Children’s Referendum is the first time, after decades of arguing abortion, that we’ve ever discusses the lives of born children”

Because of our Constitution, we- not doctors, not people needing abortions- have to endlessly discuss when and whether a woman’s life is really at risk. Evidence has tragically shown that, contrary to anti-abortion claims, there are instances where women need abortions to save their lives. But how can you prove that a risk to someone’s life was real and substantial unless she dies? In Ireland, a pregnant person’s life is considered equal to that of their fetus. If we are to truly value and protect women’s lives, this provision has got to go.

“Forcing women with fatal fetal abnormalities to travel alone to terminate in the UK is an indefensible cruelty”

The Irish Constitution says that children, victims of rape or incest, women with serious health issues and those carrying fetuses with no hope of survival have no rights to abortion. Women with wanted babies who know they will definitely die on birth are given the choice of carrying them to term for months on end, or travelling, often alone, overseas. Abortion is not a trivial procedure. Pregnancy is not a trivial state. To dismiss either of them in that way is to insult women and our lives.

Clare went on to point out that forty-four out of forty-seven European countries have abortion legislation, while our government drags its feet for twenty years. With the examples of almost all of our European neighbours, though, legislating for abortion cannot be that complicated. The Government don’t want to legislate. So it’s up to us to keep the pressure on until they have no choice. And legislating for X- which they don’t even want to do- will not be enough. But it’s a start.

“The only reason that more women haven’t died is the proximity of Britain”

Abortion, Clare continued, is a class issue. Women travel to the UK for abortions every day. Affluent women with support can afford this, but a UK abortion costs a minimum of €1000, and costs rise sharply after 14 weeks. This can be prohibitive for poorer women, and more of us live with less money now than we used to. €1000 or €2000 for a UK abortion may no longer be possible for many people, endangering women’s lives, health, and well-being.

Without constitutional change, we can’t progress towards respecting women’s health, dignity and choice. But politicians will not deliver this change. They want to drag this out for three more years until the next election when they can wash their hands of it. Only people power will force them to catch up with the rest of us. In the past month, people have mobilised in this issue like never in our history. Let’s get somewhere, and hope that in another 25 years we’re not still doing this.

Mary Favier: Doctors for Choice

Mary Favier is a GP and media spokesperson for Doctors for Choice. She began by stating that while she is hesitant to speak about an individual’s medical details, in Savita Halappanavar’s case her family have made it clear that they support sharing hers. In jurisdictions other than Ireland, Savita would have been offered a termination as soon as it was clear that she was having a miscarriage. In her situation, there is a known small but substantial risk to life from infections such as that which claimed hers. If, outside Ireland, Savita had refused a termination she would have had to sign a waiver stating that she understood this risk. Dr Favier compared abortions in this case to appendectomies. Appendectomies are almost always performed when a person presents with appendicitis, because in a small number of cases this can lead to death. The risk of death may be small, but it is real, substantial and known. In the early stages of Savita’s miscarriage, the greatest risk was not considered to be to her life, but her health. While calls for legislation on X are necessary, this may not have sufficed to save Dr Halappanavar.

“Irish women are more likely to have had abortions than appendectomies or tonsillectomies. We all know people who have had abortions”

Mary Favier continued on to speak about the abortions that Irish women do have. 4000 Irish residents are known to have abortions overseas every year. This does not include those using medical abortion pills obtained illegally online or women who do not give Irish addresses. Abortion is an incredibly common procedure- more Irish women have had abortions than appendectomies or tonsillectomies. We all know people who have had either of those. We all know people who have had abortions. They are our sisters, friends, daughters, mothers, and colleagues. And yet, their stories are shrouded in silence. The only women who have ever publically spoken about travelling to the UK for abortions have done so for reasons of serious illness or fatal fetal abnormalities. Only ‘special cases’ like these can be open and heard- and only a tiny number of those. The majority of women, who have abortions for other reasons, are silent.

Like Clare Daly, Mary Favier then went to point out that abortion is, in Ireland, a deeply economic issue. Affluent women in Ireland can access information, money and support to have early abortions when they need to. But for poor and working-class women as well as those in unsupportive families and communities- especially teenagers- it can take time to find that money. Because of this, Irish women have later abortions than their UK counterparts. In addition, although most UK abortions are medical abortions, because these take several days to complete most Irish women have to have surgical abortions. Those who can’t afford the time and money? Are forced to either continue with their pregnancies or to illegally buy medical abortion pills online. They do this without medical advice or knowledge of what complications to look out for- but at cost of about €70 instead of over €1000.

“Irish women are no different to women anywhere else. We are not unique, and have the same need for comprehensive reproductive services. Our country has just exported our problems”

Dr Favier continued her talk onto the safety of abortions. Over 99% of women who have abortions do so without major side-effects, and serious side effects and deaths are extremely rare- approximately one a decade in the UK. This contrasts to childbirth- about one woman per year dies giving birth in Ireland, with our far smaller population. Although anti-abortion advocates claim that abortion causes mental illnesses, this is not backed up by research. Dr Favier cited recent studies showing that it is unwanted pregnancies, not what a person does about them, that cause stress, anxiety and mental health problems. Coerced abortions, the necessity of secrecy, negative contexts and stigma make abortion more difficult, and mental health problems more likely.

“Doctors for Choice came about because we were tired of male, conservative, religious people being the only voice of medical professionals”

Finally Mary Favier made an important point about Irish hospitals. The majority of hospitals in the country are Catholic owned and controlled. They would not provide abortions. If abortion legislation changed in the morning, who would provide it? Doctors for Choice advocate provision by GPs. There is no stigma around attending a GP’s office, nothing unusual about attending one. This would keep abortion provision in a safe, familiar context where it could not be prevented by Catholic hospital authorities.

Finally, Dr Favier, like the other two speakers, stressed that legislating for X is not enough. If X legislation goes through, then teenagers, disabled people, poor people and asylum seekers- who cannot legally leave the country- will continue to be disadvantaged. Repealing the 8th Amendment and decriminalising abortion are not and cannot be our final goal. They must be necessary first steps toward providing free, safe and legal abortions for all who need them.

Following Dr Favier’s talk, the floor was open to comments and discussion.

Monday’s Cork Pro-Choice Meeting Part One: The Speakers

Dail Eireann and the Amazing Time Travelling Gender Recognition Legislation

Check out my latest post over at Gaelick!

like Skywalker and Baggins before her, Lydia went on a quest. Through the courts of the land – for this is where such battles took place – she voyaged. When her first case failed, she traveled even further afield to Strasbourg. Here, she finally seemed to achieve her goal when ten full years after she had begun, the European Court of Human Rights ruled that the state had “failed to provide for ‘meaningful recognition’ of her female identity”. Surely with this, she could go home and get on with her life, secure in the knowledge that her state would now start recognising her identity?
But this story, like many a much more profitable franchise before it, just wouldn’t end. Five long years have passed since Lydia Foy won her case in Strasbourg. And like the series that just kept going on and on and on, the Irish Government’s plans for gender recognition legislation never quite come to fruition. Every year we’re told that they are oh-so-close to being ready.


Dail Eireann and the Amazing Time Travelling Gender Recognition Legislation