Comments on: Conspiracy theories about Zimmerman's car crash rescue https://the-orbit.net/lousycanuck/2013/07/25/conspiracy-theories-about-zimmermans-car-crash-rescue/ ... Because I don't watch enough hockey, drink enough beer, or eat enough bacon. Thu, 01 Aug 2013 17:34:05 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.1.6 By: John Horstman https://the-orbit.net/lousycanuck/2013/07/25/conspiracy-theories-about-zimmermans-car-crash-rescue/comment-page-1/#comment-25019 Thu, 01 Aug 2013 17:34:05 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck/?p=13009#comment-25019 Bah, I missed a closing parenthesis.

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By: John Horstman https://the-orbit.net/lousycanuck/2013/07/25/conspiracy-theories-about-zimmermans-car-crash-rescue/comment-page-1/#comment-25018 Thu, 01 Aug 2013 17:33:24 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck/?p=13009#comment-25018 @10: Well, we have the massive unwarranted domestic surveillance program we’ve been decrying (as a possibility or actuality) since the PATRIOT Act was passed (or earlier, for those of us aware of the NSA’s e-mail and phone surveillance dating back to the beginnings of the technology in the case of e-mail and agency in the case of phones), but those are of course actual government ‘conspiracies’ (perhaps simply “activities”?, while you may only have been referring to imaginary ones.

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By: John Horstman https://the-orbit.net/lousycanuck/2013/07/25/conspiracy-theories-about-zimmermans-car-crash-rescue/comment-page-1/#comment-25017 Thu, 01 Aug 2013 17:23:27 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck/?p=13009#comment-25017 @8: *sigh* The racist bit was suspecting a Black teen walking back from the convenience store of wrongdoing with zero evidence. He didn’t call 911 to report White people walking around the neighborhood, just the Black kid. That’s racist, yo.

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By: SallyStrange https://the-orbit.net/lousycanuck/2013/07/25/conspiracy-theories-about-zimmermans-car-crash-rescue/comment-page-1/#comment-25016 Wed, 31 Jul 2013 06:47:23 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck/?p=13009#comment-25016 I see why jinxmchue has trouble believing George Zimmerman is racist. jinxmchue is racist, and has a vested interest in denying it, since even though he only has the vaguest notion of what racism actually is and how it functions, he does understand that it is nominally A Bad Thing and would prefer that people not think he’s racist. So, admitting Zimmerman’s racism is out of the question, since that would necessitate some self-reflection about harboring racist stereotypes on jinxmchue’s part.

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By: Tom Foss https://the-orbit.net/lousycanuck/2013/07/25/conspiracy-theories-about-zimmermans-car-crash-rescue/comment-page-1/#comment-25015 Tue, 30 Jul 2013 06:34:05 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck/?p=13009#comment-25015

Had he been white, Zimmerman still would have been suspicious of him.

The evidence, specifically the fact that all of Zimmerman’s previous calls about suspicious persons involved black people, suggests otherwise.

Martin was once caught with obviously stolen jewelry in his backpack. Unfortunately, it was never followed up on.

Not a capital offense, and not something Zimmerman could have known at the time.

Martin had been in trouble at school multiple times. At the time of the shooting, he was on his third suspension.

Not a capital offense, and not something Zimmerman could have known at the time.

“Mistaking someone for a criminal” is not inherently racist.

Mistaking only black people, including unarmed black teenagers engaged in the clearly criminal activity of walking, is.

You see a stranger who is completely out of place in a gated community that has seen a rash of burglaries and what would you think?

Except Martin wasn’t “completely out of place.” He was heading to his dad’s residence. Does Zimmerman call the police on every person who’s visiting someone in the neighborhood? (Unless all those visitors are black, the evidence suggests not). What marked him as out of place?

At best, what Zimmerman should have thought as a Neighborhood Watch member was “I should report this activity that I consider suspicious to the police and let them handle it.” See, it’s Neighborhood Watch not Neighborhood Follow and Shoot.

In the last city I lived in, there were several Hispanic kids — some as young as 6 or 7 — who were caught with pocket knives given to them by some older Hispanic boys who were idolizing some violent Hispanic thug who stabbed someone at a party. The young kids were using to cut or scratch other kids or damage their belongings. My own daughter had the sleeve of her shirt sliced. So yes, an 8-year-old CAN constitute a threat. (Oh, I bet I’m a racist now because I repeatedly pointed out the fact that all the parties in question were Hispanic.)

It’s racist that you think the race is relevant. There are plenty of white kids (and teenagers, and adults) who idolize violent people and carry weapons. Live in the fucking midwest some time; you’ll meet them. The relevant factor is rarely race and far more often class/socioeconomic status; correlation isn’t causation, and all that.

Incidentally, do you think Zimmerman would have been just as justified if Trayvon Martin had been eight years old?

George Zimmerman’s dad was exactly right about racist blacks and the whole Zimmerman case proved it beyond any doubt.

Yep, it’s all those racist blacks keeping the white man down. White people truly are the real oppressed minority here.

Given Martin’s social media activity, his truancy and tardiness, his being caught scratching graffiti into a school door, his marijuana use, and his likely use of “lean,” yes, he was a thug. The conclusion has nothing to do with his skin color. White kids with the same background are thugs, too.

Notice that being a rebellious teenager is enough to label Trayvon Martin a “thug,” thus apparently justifying his murder, while having an actual history of violent crime leading up to the vigilante murder of an unarmed child is not enough to label George Zimmerman a “thug.” It’s true, all that urban rap music extols the thug culture of scratching graffiti into school property. It’s only white wholesome music that talks about driving through your neighborhood with a gun and killing the people who don’t belong, then getting away with murder.

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By: jinxmchue https://the-orbit.net/lousycanuck/2013/07/25/conspiracy-theories-about-zimmermans-car-crash-rescue/comment-page-1/#comment-25014 Mon, 29 Jul 2013 06:08:45 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck/?p=13009#comment-25014 Wow. Some of you people are thoroughly pathetic.

Break-ins were happening and unsolved. Burglaries, even if solved, rightfully heighten suspicion.

Martin was a stranger in a gated community with few strangers and was acting odd. Had he been white, Zimmerman still would have been suspicious of him.

Martin was once caught with obviously stolen jewelry in his backpack. Unfortunately, it was never followed up on.

Martin had been in trouble at school multiple times. At the time of the shooting, he was on his third suspension.

“Mistaking someone for a criminal” is not inherently racist. You see a stranger who is completely out of place in a gated community that has seen a rash of burglaries and what would you think? “How can I help this kid get home safely?” Uh-huh.

In the last city I lived in, there were several Hispanic kids — some as young as 6 or 7 — who were caught with pocket knives given to them by some older Hispanic boys who were idolizing some violent Hispanic thug who stabbed someone at a party. The young kids were using to cut or scratch other kids or damage their belongings. My own daughter had the sleeve of her shirt sliced. So yes, an 8-year-old CAN constitute a threat. (Oh, I bet I’m a racist now because I repeatedly pointed out the fact that all the parties in question were Hispanic.)

George Zimmerman’s dad was exactly right about racist blacks and the whole Zimmerman case proved it beyond any doubt.

It’s interesting… Robert Zimmerman can’t think it’s reasonable for his brother to assume that Martin was a potential threat, but it’s perfectly okay to absolutely conclude that George Zimmerman is racist because of something his brother said. Brilliant.

Given Martin’s social media activity, his truancy and tardiness, his being caught scratching graffiti into a school door, his marijuana use, and his likely use of “lean,” yes, he was a thug. The conclusion has nothing to do with his skin color. White kids with the same background are thugs, too.

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By: Skeptical Atheist https://the-orbit.net/lousycanuck/2013/07/25/conspiracy-theories-about-zimmermans-car-crash-rescue/comment-page-1/#comment-25013 Sun, 28 Jul 2013 00:11:40 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck/?p=13009#comment-25013 Conspiracy theories?

This is pathetic!

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By: Stacy https://the-orbit.net/lousycanuck/2013/07/25/conspiracy-theories-about-zimmermans-car-crash-rescue/comment-page-1/#comment-25012 Sat, 27 Jul 2013 01:46:23 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck/?p=13009#comment-25012 I agree it’s very unlikely the accident was staged.

I do think it likely that Zimmerman has a police scanner. If so, he would have heard the call from dispatch. Dollars to donuts he’s been on the lookout for an incident like this.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/07/22/1225735/-George-Zimmerman-shows-up-to-help-rescue-a-family-who-was-trapped-in-an-overturned-vehicle#

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By: robb https://the-orbit.net/lousycanuck/2013/07/25/conspiracy-theories-about-zimmermans-car-crash-rescue/comment-page-1/#comment-25011 Fri, 26 Jul 2013 22:19:14 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck/?p=13009#comment-25011 hey, Skip White, there is no dark side of the moon.

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By: Skip White https://the-orbit.net/lousycanuck/2013/07/25/conspiracy-theories-about-zimmermans-car-crash-rescue/comment-page-1/#comment-25010 Fri, 26 Jul 2013 16:35:16 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck/?p=13009#comment-25010 @pianoman #16,

Well of COURSE the moon landing happened. How else would Obama have built his FEMA death camps on the dark side of it?

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