Comments on: A poster to print and put up during this American election cycle: “Never Again” https://the-orbit.net/lousycanuck/2012/05/25/a-poster-to-print-and-put-up-during-thi-american-election-cycle-never-again/ ... Because I don't watch enough hockey, drink enough beer, or eat enough bacon. Tue, 29 May 2012 16:15:18 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.1.6 By: Erin https://the-orbit.net/lousycanuck/2012/05/25/a-poster-to-print-and-put-up-during-thi-american-election-cycle-never-again/comment-page-1/#comment-13770 Tue, 29 May 2012 16:15:18 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck/?p=9760#comment-13770 @BaisBlackfingers

I expect most of Jason’s readers to have the intended initial reaction. Mine was only off because I briefly saw the poster before running off to stop the chaos that comes from having a houseful of children. I registered the words but didn’t really see the picture and did a WTF before being able to come back and actually look at it.

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By: Erin https://the-orbit.net/lousycanuck/2012/05/25/a-poster-to-print-and-put-up-during-thi-american-election-cycle-never-again/comment-page-1/#comment-13769 Tue, 29 May 2012 16:04:18 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck/?p=9760#comment-13769 So, psanity, you are completely unfamiliar with the concept that not everyone is interested in the same things as you? Or perhaps you feel that everyone has the same level of education as you?

As it happens, I do know the history of coat hangers being used for abortions (and of the particularly nasty poisons before that). I may have even seen a few pictures similar to the one above, but I don’t remember everything I see (and even less now that I have children). I’ve seen the war bond posters. Do you know why they worked? A lot of that had to do with the overwhelming support for the war effort. People wanted to do what they could to help.

I also happen to know about marketing. Here’s the deal. If you’re trying to get a message across, you need to be clear. The war bonds ads were clear. The VOTE! ads were clear. Everyone understood that the war needed money and that you should vote during election time.

If you hand this poster out to only people who are actively interest in women’s rights, then it will be clear. Granted, those people were probably already going to vote so it’s redundant. But, there are women out there who don’t know how bad it used to be. They truly may never have seen the old posters nor heard about the coat hangers – it’s not like they teach it in secondary school (and you can’t assume that everyone looks for this information on their own or takes the courses in university that would teach them about it).

By just sticking these posters up willy-nilly, you guarantee that a percentage of the people seeing them will not understand the message. To assume that anyone who does is “willfully manipulative” is a mistake.

Consider the communities where girls are still taught that they should stay home and take care of the house and family. The communities where people think that women should still be submissive to men, where they feel that women shouldn’t vote. Do you truly think that this poster would be interpreted the way you assume it would be in those communities? It’s not that the women there are being manipulative, it’s that they’ve been manipulated for generations and honestly believe the tripe that they live by.

These aren’t the voters you want? These are the voters you NEED. FFS these are some of the very women you’re trying to help.

By they way, you know what they say when you assume…

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By: psanity https://the-orbit.net/lousycanuck/2012/05/25/a-poster-to-print-and-put-up-during-thi-american-election-cycle-never-again/comment-page-1/#comment-13768 Sun, 27 May 2012 06:02:05 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck/?p=9760#comment-13768 So, Erin, you are completely unfamiliar with this issue, over the last fifty years? Never have seen a coathanger with the slogan “Never Again”? It’s also clear in an artistic and historical context: the formula of an image, with or without text, stating the issue, with a banner at the top or bottom containing an “action” slogan (“Vote!”, “Buy War Bonds”, “Don’t Waste Transportation”, “Lend a Hand”), is a familiar poster technique.

I would assume, with good reason, that anyone “misinterpreting” this poster as you suggest is willfully manipulative, rather than ignorant.

BTW, the original source for this evocative image is Armchair Patriots:

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m48sbvIGJX1qd4tnqo1_1280.jpg

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By: Jean https://the-orbit.net/lousycanuck/2012/05/25/a-poster-to-print-and-put-up-during-thi-american-election-cycle-never-again/comment-page-1/#comment-13767 Sun, 27 May 2012 05:48:09 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck/?p=9760#comment-13767 Hi Jason,

I will never forget the original “Never Again” article and photo of illegal abortion victim Gerri Santoro, which appeared in MS. Magazine in 1973: Here is the article (without photo) https://msmagazine.com/spring2002/brandesgratz.asp.

Here is the actual photo http://iconicphotos.wordpress.com/2010/05/03/gerri-santoros-abortion/

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By: BaisBlackfingers https://the-orbit.net/lousycanuck/2012/05/25/a-poster-to-print-and-put-up-during-thi-american-election-cycle-never-again/comment-page-1/#comment-13766 Sat, 26 May 2012 17:20:47 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck/?p=9760#comment-13766 @Erin:

I can see what you’re saying about misinterpretation, but for what it’s worth I’m pretty sure my initial reaction to it was the intended one, even seeing it out of context.

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By: niftyatheist https://the-orbit.net/lousycanuck/2012/05/25/a-poster-to-print-and-put-up-during-thi-american-election-cycle-never-again/comment-page-1/#comment-13763 Fri, 25 May 2012 23:11:10 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck/?p=9760#comment-13763 Thanks, Jason. I’ll use this on my blog and anywhere else I can think of.

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By: otrame https://the-orbit.net/lousycanuck/2012/05/25/a-poster-to-print-and-put-up-during-thi-american-election-cycle-never-again/comment-page-1/#comment-13765 Fri, 25 May 2012 21:34:32 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck/?p=9760#comment-13765 I used to keep a plastic coat hanger I spray painted red with the note “Never Again” on it to hold out my window when I daily drove past a Planned Parenthood clinic that was being picketed.

I guess I need to get make a new one.

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By: Erin https://the-orbit.net/lousycanuck/2012/05/25/a-poster-to-print-and-put-up-during-thi-american-election-cycle-never-again/comment-page-1/#comment-13764 Fri, 25 May 2012 21:12:44 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck/?p=9760#comment-13764 Except that if you’re only reading the words it says, “Never again vote.” That’s not quite the message you want to get out. Worse, it has a woman holding a coat hanger on it so if you’re really ignorant and trying to read it wrong, you’ll read that it says that women should never vote again (and get back to that housework).

I’m sure it could be redone somehow so even those who will try to misinterpret it couldn’t.

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