Comments on: The Donald thinks autism comes from a “monster shot” https://the-orbit.net/lousycanuck/2012/04/15/the-donald-thinks-autism-comes-from-a-monster-shot/ ... Because I don't watch enough hockey, drink enough beer, or eat enough bacon. Mon, 16 Apr 2012 17:03:01 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.1.6 By: Jason Thibeault https://the-orbit.net/lousycanuck/2012/04/15/the-donald-thinks-autism-comes-from-a-monster-shot/comment-page-1/#comment-12744 Mon, 16 Apr 2012 17:03:01 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck/?p=9491#comment-12744 I’m with Kevin. I would not be surprised that, like with things like lung cancer, a genetic predisposition isn’t enough to develop autism, and it requires some environmental trigger.

At the same time, it might be that it’s entirely genetic, we just don’t know the exact confluence of genes necessary to cause it — or there could be multiple combinations that cause it, given that autism appears to be a spectrum rather than a single state. Amish communities abstain from most of the environmental conditions we have in our industrialized world, but see the same levels of autism.

Zinc Avenger: I don’t give a crap what the scientific community says, your anecdotal evidence is good enough for me. I mean did you see the size of the facepalm I got from this video?

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By: Zinc Avenger https://the-orbit.net/lousycanuck/2012/04/15/the-donald-thinks-autism-comes-from-a-monster-shot/comment-page-1/#comment-12743 Mon, 16 Apr 2012 16:26:59 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck/?p=9491#comment-12743 Folks, we finally have irrefutable direct correlation between Donald Trump and facepalms. I know correlation doesn’t equal causation, but in this case I’m willing to go out on a limb.

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By: Kevin https://the-orbit.net/lousycanuck/2012/04/15/the-donald-thinks-autism-comes-from-a-monster-shot/comment-page-1/#comment-12742 Mon, 16 Apr 2012 14:22:59 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck/?p=9491#comment-12742 I wouldn’t be so quick to hail “genetics” as the answer.

The latest round of studies of older fathers implicated a number of genes; but the penetrance is so low that I don’t think you can make a definitive statement. Plus, there seem to be an extraordinary number of genes implicated. I’ll bet more than a few of them are just statistical anomalies that won’t be confirmed.

My guess is that there is a “two-hit” hypothesis looming.

There was also research released just recently showing that overweight mothers had a 67% higher likelihood of having an autistic baby that normal weight mothers. So, that would be a developmental issue, not a genetic one.

But whatever is behind the rise in autism (other than the trend to dub any weird kid as being autistic), it’s clear that vaccines are not responsible.

Donald Trump is an idiot.

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By: Katherine Lorraine, Chaton de la Mort https://the-orbit.net/lousycanuck/2012/04/15/the-donald-thinks-autism-comes-from-a-monster-shot/comment-page-1/#comment-12741 Mon, 16 Apr 2012 12:58:53 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck/?p=9491#comment-12741 @WMDKitty:

I suspect the major reason is that people want to blame someone more for the reason that “we can do something about it if it’s not genetic.” If it’s environmental, then you can remove the things causing the problem. If it’s genetic, it’s inborn, it’s something you can’t (easily) fix.

It’s kind of sad, that parents who think that way are most likely doing so because they want to “fix” their children, as if those with ASDs are “broken.”

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By: unbound https://the-orbit.net/lousycanuck/2012/04/15/the-donald-thinks-autism-comes-from-a-monster-shot/comment-page-1/#comment-12740 Mon, 16 Apr 2012 11:43:24 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck/?p=9491#comment-12740 @WMDKitty – Many people do indeed want easy answers. A black and white world is very comforting to the masses, which is why, even without religion, you have people that subscribe to stupid ideas.

I think there is also a lingering aspect of religion that exacerbates the situation as well in that people expect that bad things really only happen to people that have been bad. In a black and white world, there is no room for bad things to happen to truly good people.

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By: Aliasalpha https://the-orbit.net/lousycanuck/2012/04/15/the-donald-thinks-autism-comes-from-a-monster-shot/comment-page-1/#comment-12739 Mon, 16 Apr 2012 11:40:21 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck/?p=9491#comment-12739 Thats the way its always looked to me anyway

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By: WMDKitty https://the-orbit.net/lousycanuck/2012/04/15/the-donald-thinks-autism-comes-from-a-monster-shot/comment-page-1/#comment-12738 Mon, 16 Apr 2012 06:38:15 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck/?p=9491#comment-12738 @Aliasalpha — So, people just want easy answers, something to blame?

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By: Aliasalpha https://the-orbit.net/lousycanuck/2012/04/15/the-donald-thinks-autism-comes-from-a-monster-shot/comment-page-1/#comment-12737 Mon, 16 Apr 2012 06:24:54 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck/?p=9491#comment-12737 Because genes aren’t an easy target to blame & abuse?

After all, they are all complicated, requiring a level of patience & attention beyond that traditionally exhibited by people who are easily distracted by shiny things.

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By: WMDKitty https://the-orbit.net/lousycanuck/2012/04/15/the-donald-thinks-autism-comes-from-a-monster-shot/comment-page-1/#comment-12736 Mon, 16 Apr 2012 05:54:34 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck/?p=9491#comment-12736 Jesus tap-dancing Christ on a cracker, the evidence is CLEAR: Autism is GENETIC.

WHY do people still insist that it must have an external cause?

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By: smrnda https://the-orbit.net/lousycanuck/2012/04/15/the-donald-thinks-autism-comes-from-a-monster-shot/comment-page-1/#comment-12735 Mon, 16 Apr 2012 00:42:26 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck/?p=9491#comment-12735 Though I think people above answered my question (anyone rich must know everything, according to Faux News) but seriously, if you want to discuss vaccines and autism, why listen to anyone’s opinion who isn’t from a life sciences background at all?

As for Trump being a ‘rebel’ ‘bad boy’ or whatever, he’s a rich jackass, which makes him about as far from truly counter-cultural as you can get. How rebellious can you be when you buy into the most establishment-friendly views of life and success out there?

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