Comments on: Frat email trains frosh on how to treat women https://the-orbit.net/lousycanuck/2012/01/06/frat-email-trains-frosh-on-how-to-treat-women/ ... Because I don't watch enough hockey, drink enough beer, or eat enough bacon. Sat, 07 Jan 2012 20:05:08 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.1.6 By: Pugachev https://the-orbit.net/lousycanuck/2012/01/06/frat-email-trains-frosh-on-how-to-treat-women/comment-page-1/#comment-10161 Sat, 07 Jan 2012 20:05:08 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck/?p=8759#comment-10161 No, one is a dismissal of the casual, non-intentionally offensive off hand remark, or more importantly, the desire for males to “not walk on eggshells” around very sensitive females (and not to start off a whole new argument, but yes, there are various levels of sensitivities in males and females on a wide range of subjects.) This is very different from an intentionally over the top, exaggerated sexist letter. Very different, I do not know anyone who talks like that in a normal conversation and I’m in the military, for Darwin’s sake.

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By: Pteryxx https://the-orbit.net/lousycanuck/2012/01/06/frat-email-trains-frosh-on-how-to-treat-women/comment-page-1/#comment-10160 Sat, 07 Jan 2012 19:54:48 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck/?p=8759#comment-10160

I still cannot see the link between a sexist parody letter from an all male frat and Mallorie Nasrallah, can you post another snide-filled, yet intellectually void comment on why this is so?

1) They are all examples of categorical dismissal of misogynistic remarks or behavior as merely jokes.

[note: and I badly misspelled Nasrallah above, my apologies. More evidence that I shouldn’t be trying to post coherently today…]

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By: Jason Thibeault https://the-orbit.net/lousycanuck/2012/01/06/frat-email-trains-frosh-on-how-to-treat-women/comment-page-1/#comment-10147 Sat, 07 Jan 2012 19:54:45 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck/?p=8759#comment-10147 Misogyny is an attitude that allows sexist behaviour to continue. You are dismissing dozens of women’s valid concerns about sexist behaviour in order to defend one single woman who has declared that not only is there no problem here, but that nobody needs to change, not even those accused of sexist behaviour, slurs against women, or outright hatred.

I do not see a problem with the atheist community because of these frat boys, and you know that is a strawman argument. I see a problem with the atheist community in that there is a large faction of it telling a small fraction of it (the misogynist trolls and the people at boards like In Mala Fide, r/mensrights, or any other place frequently highlighted at blogs like manboobz.com) to stop behaving like entitled bonobos and treating every woman that crosses their path like nothing more than a potential fucktoy; and another small fraction (like at ERV’s slimepit and Grey Lining) defending against the “evil feminists” and demanding that the skeptic and atheist communities be more tolerant of the sexist assholes than we are of the women who are asking to be left the fuck alone.

The problem that I see in the atheist community, and what makes Rebecca Watson “hate atheists”, is that there is just so much traction against the idea of treating women like human beings that people like you, who defends misogyny and is therefore a misogynist whether you hate women or not, that the small faction of people defending against the Ebul Feminazis look like the atheist community as a whole. That these ideas are so worthy of attack by drive-by assholes like yourself tells me that you are far more interested in attacking women and the people who defend women than you are in actual dialog. No wonder certain people “hate atheists” if we can’t rout out assholes like you without so damn much pushback.

I was telling both of those small fractions of the atheist community that they should just be more honest about their feelings against women, that if they want the skeptic and atheist communities to act as dating sites they should just read that frat email and pick up some tips on how to do it a little more honestly.

For someone who rails against illogic and strawman arguments, you make a lot of them yourself.

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By: Pugachev https://the-orbit.net/lousycanuck/2012/01/06/frat-email-trains-frosh-on-how-to-treat-women/comment-page-1/#comment-10159 Sat, 07 Jan 2012 19:44:24 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck/?p=8759#comment-10159 I dont read Reddit, I can only assume that “that reddit thread” is not an instructional guide, though satirical, sent through email to a fraternity that has since been shut down and disowned by its parent fraternal organization.

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By: julian https://the-orbit.net/lousycanuck/2012/01/06/frat-email-trains-frosh-on-how-to-treat-women/comment-page-1/#comment-10158 Sat, 07 Jan 2012 19:37:04 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck/?p=8759#comment-10158

She is fond of her community of “normal”, “average” guys, who may make an off color joke, or laugh at something politically incorrect at times.

What’s the difference between this email an that reddit thread?

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By: Pugachev https://the-orbit.net/lousycanuck/2012/01/06/frat-email-trains-frosh-on-how-to-treat-women/comment-page-1/#comment-10157 Sat, 07 Jan 2012 19:18:25 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck/?p=8759#comment-10157 *would be part of it, not “would not”.

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By: Pugachev https://the-orbit.net/lousycanuck/2012/01/06/frat-email-trains-frosh-on-how-to-treat-women/comment-page-1/#comment-10156 Sat, 07 Jan 2012 19:16:55 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck/?p=8759#comment-10156 I still cannot see the link between a sexist parody letter from an all male frat and Mallorie Nasrallah, can you post another snide-filled, yet intellectually void comment on why this is so? I highly doubt, I can almost assure you, that if her local Atheist community was run like this Frat letter, that she would not be part of it. She is fond of her community of “normal”, “average” guys, who may make an off color joke, or laugh at something politically incorrect at times. I do not think her, or most, local Atheist or Skeptic communities are dens of scum and villiany on the subject of sexism.

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By: julian https://the-orbit.net/lousycanuck/2012/01/06/frat-email-trains-frosh-on-how-to-treat-women/comment-page-1/#comment-10155 Sat, 07 Jan 2012 19:15:57 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck/?p=8759#comment-10155 @Giliell

Yeah, I’ve noticed most of the men defending Mallorie Nasrallah seem to think along similar lines. They also seem incredibly comfortable with using bullying, intimidation and harassment to get phone numbers, addresses and dates. Here Brian even suggests such methods are a good way to get ‘sex’ because it’s a guaranteed way to get ‘sex.’

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By: Giliell, the woman who said Good-bye to Kitty https://the-orbit.net/lousycanuck/2012/01/06/frat-email-trains-frosh-on-how-to-treat-women/comment-page-1/#comment-10154 Sat, 07 Jan 2012 18:55:40 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck/?p=8759#comment-10154

I presume because loose women are attracted to douche bags, unlike say my wife.

Translate: My wife is a saint, therefore, nothing bad is ever going to happen to her.
Those women who make bad experiences are to blame themselves, because they are loose women

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By: SallyStrange, FemBrain in a FemBadge (Bigger on the Inside!) https://the-orbit.net/lousycanuck/2012/01/06/frat-email-trains-frosh-on-how-to-treat-women/comment-page-1/#comment-10153 Sat, 07 Jan 2012 18:34:50 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck/?p=8759#comment-10153

What is the difference between non-consent and rape?

Rape is when you get arrested. Non-consent is when you get away with it. As over 90% of rapists do.

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