Comments on: Craig Stephen Hicks & Me: In Condemnation of the Chapel Hill Shooting https://the-orbit.net/heinous/2015/02/11/chapel-hill-shooting/ Here to disrupt your narrative. Wed, 18 Feb 2015 22:03:52 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.1.6 By: Chapel Hill: No wonder others don’t get the Muslim and Ex-Muslim Community https://the-orbit.net/heinous/2015/02/11/chapel-hill-shooting/#comment-5582 Wed, 18 Feb 2015 22:03:52 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/heinous/?p=50035#comment-5582 […] given a “wake up call” by the incident. Ali points out that Heina Dadabhoy, who also blogs at Freethoughtblogs, had an opportunity to address this […]

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By: FriendlyAtheist https://the-orbit.net/heinous/2015/02/11/chapel-hill-shooting/#comment-5581 Mon, 16 Feb 2015 20:00:17 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/heinous/?p=50035#comment-5581 In reply to Nick Gotts.

“I very much doubt hicks has read Russell. But he’s certainly a fan of Richard Dawkins, who is currently in denial that these murders had anything to do with the victims’ religion.”

Since these murders had nothing to do with the victims’ religion, he can’t be “in denial” about that. In fact, he is simply correct.

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By: Heina Dadabhoy https://the-orbit.net/heinous/2015/02/11/chapel-hill-shooting/#comment-5580 Fri, 13 Feb 2015 17:43:02 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/heinous/?p=50035#comment-5580 In reply to JR.

We live in a world where certain groups are more targeted than others, so no, gutting special protections isn’t the solution.

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By: Heina Dadabhoy https://the-orbit.net/heinous/2015/02/11/chapel-hill-shooting/#comment-5579 Fri, 13 Feb 2015 17:41:13 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/heinous/?p=50035#comment-5579 In reply to Steve Watson.

I’m not sure if I was bad at making it or you missed it, but there was a point that isn’t what you’re talking about.

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By: Far Less Disappointed Than I Expected https://the-orbit.net/heinous/2015/02/11/chapel-hill-shooting/#comment-5578 Thu, 12 Feb 2015 22:03:35 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/heinous/?p=50035#comment-5578 […] Craig Stephen Hicks & Me: In Condemnation of the Chapel Hill Shooting […]

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By: Knowing Deah, Yusor, and Razan | UNDER_WIRE https://the-orbit.net/heinous/2015/02/11/chapel-hill-shooting/#comment-5577 Thu, 12 Feb 2015 19:19:25 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/heinous/?p=50035#comment-5577 […] from the Freethought Blogs Network have expressed their thoughts on the killings, including Heina, Greta Christina, Dana, Ed, and Jason. I highly recommend reading Jason’s which focuses on […]

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By: freemage https://the-orbit.net/heinous/2015/02/11/chapel-hill-shooting/#comment-5576 Thu, 12 Feb 2015 18:30:13 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/heinous/?p=50035#comment-5576 Steve Watson @5: We’re not apologizing for his behavior; we’re simply condemning it, in part to draw a nice, shiny and visible from space line between what is and is not acceptable conduct for ethical atheists. Violence of any sort, and particularly murder, is simply beyond the pale, and yes there are people who still need to be told this.

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By: JR https://the-orbit.net/heinous/2015/02/11/chapel-hill-shooting/#comment-5575 Thu, 12 Feb 2015 17:01:26 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/heinous/?p=50035#comment-5575 It’s not relevant if this had “anything to do with religion”. This is a straw argument. Religion is being used as both an “excuse” and a “protection” for all kinds of crimes and abuse (including so-called “hate crimes”, which is in reality, another straw argument).

Religion should not be a protection for bad behavior. Nor should “anti-religion” be an excuse for bad behavior.

Religion is in effect, “licensed” activity and belief (privileged and protected) because the religious have demanded this. But this is unfair in reality, since only religion can do this. Free speech is free speech and deserves the same protections for all forms of free speech, including religion, anti-religion (atheism if you will), and other forms of free speech. But religion is the only form of free speech that receives special attention and protection. The artificial and capricious barricades that have been built around religion are quite absurd, unfair, unjust and dishonest.

Let’s briefly examine that protection given to religion, because it is very important. This protection includes the tolerance of bad behavior (oppression of human rights). This is wrong, but still tolerated (usually). There are absolutely countless examples of how religion is protected (by law and by custom) where if this activity was not “religious” it would be condemned and/or outlawed. Examples are vaccinations, spousal abuse, child abuse, indoctrination and many more.

The whole concept of “religious freedom” is dead wrong. And so is “religious protection”. Individual rights do NOT depend or require a religion and therefore, to ensure equal rights, and equal protection, there should be NO SUCH THING AS RELIGIOUS RIGHTS OR RELIGIOUS FREEDOM. There is only equal rights, and only equal freedom in other words, all which have the same and equal levels of protection (and expression). The “separation” created by religion is entirely bogus.

In other words, I have the same rights as anyone, being an atheist, or being a religious person. None of us have more rights then the other. But that is NOT how the real world works. Religious rights have trampled upon the rights of everyone by demanding (and receiving) inordinate and special protections and privilege (tax status is yet another example). This is wrong and has always been wrong.

Religions abuse their protected and privileged positions all of the time (all over the world), precisely because they have been given inordinate rights and protections that permit this. This too is wrong and an example of how misguided this protectionism really is.

What we have always needed is EQUAL protection, where there are no special privileges, no special exemptions, no special protections, and no special preferences, everyone, everywhere receives exactly the same individual or group rights (which for brevity I won’t got into here with a description, suffice it to say that they must ALL be equal). But it’s dead obvious, that is NOT what we have because religion has horribly abused this concept demanding special protections and special rights. This is bullshit and always has been.

The religious “argument” is a deflection of the real error here, and that is our tolerance, acceptance and codification into law the special protections for religion. This should have never happened.

No comment on Hicks (opinions and speculations about this are pointless).

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By: Nick Gotts https://the-orbit.net/heinous/2015/02/11/chapel-hill-shooting/#comment-5574 Thu, 12 Feb 2015 12:54:30 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/heinous/?p=50035#comment-5574 Steve Watson@5

Why does anyone feel the need to apologise?

Who has apologised? No-one here.

Is every other paragraph of the works of Bertrand Russell an exhortation to kill everyone who isn’t an atheist?

I very much doubt hicks has read Russell. But he’s certainly a fan of Richard Dawkins, who is currently in denial that these murders had anything to do with the victims’ religion.

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By: Tribalism, empathy, atheism, and Chapel Hill https://the-orbit.net/heinous/2015/02/11/chapel-hill-shooting/#comment-5573 Thu, 12 Feb 2015 04:03:39 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/heinous/?p=50035#comment-5573 […] an ongoing escalation of bullying by someone who clearly disdains Islam in a country that’s doing nothing less than whipping up furore against The Muslim Terrorists at every opportunity as part of a grander strategy against terrorism. Or, once again going with the mental instability […]

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