Ur.. That didn’t like the blockquote..

You are, right now in this very thread, the subject of which is the pain and anger which comes from actual human beings being fat shamed, condemning folks you don’t know as well as folks you do for their food choices as if they owe you a kagehi-approved diet due to their appearance.

I don’t give a damn about their appearance, beyond the fact that it can mean losing a gall bladder (like my niece), or being barely able to walk (like my mother), or diabetes, like a few people we know, and all the other things that come as a consequence, not of not being “thin enough, as you seem to think my issue is, but not actually being fraking healthy. So, no, I am not missing your point, but you keep ignoring my attempt to apologize for being an ass about it, while basically denying that the first damn thing, frankly, any competent doctor would do seeing the same person is say, ‘So.. lets check a few things over which might be common problems in someone of your size.”

I made a mistake. I admit to the mistake. I won’t do it again, but I am **not** going to play the game that somehow no one, including themselves, are owed an attempt to eat healthier. What that means, you are correct, isn’t up to me, but them, and heir doctor, assuming they have one. But, hopefully, someone *is* actually making sure they are healthy, what ever their weight, and hopefully, they are listening, if they are not healthy. I wish some of the people you think I do have some vast respect for would bloody listen, including the ones that is on oxygen, but insists on still smoking (different issue, obviously, but.. damn its hard to keep my mouth shut over that insanity.) You can keep insisting that I am missing the point if you like I don’t give a damn. I care that we have a bloody issue in this country, and that some people deny it even exists, and that *some* of the people being shamed need help. They need that help, to be quite honest, probably not from me, in the frame of mind I came into this thread. I hope, the one I leave in is a better one, but.. you don’t seem to think so, and.. I am not sure I particularly give a damn any more.

Ok.. Not really, I do give a damn, anyone would. However, you are right, I have no business jumping to conclusions without knowing anything about them. My only excuse is that I have, I just now realized, seen some people as the “flip side” of the ones that come into line claiming their great and wondrous health is due to the latest idiot herbal supplement, or vitamin cocktail, something that, unknown to them, may either being doing nothing at all, or, possibly killing them (like taking massive doses of vitamin C almost certainly induced, and accelerated, the cancer that killed both the man that advocated its “lack of side effects”, and his wife). But, its not the same thing, at all. Or, when it is, I am not qualified to be able make even guesses at it.

Nothing I am likely to say, at all, seems likely to change your minds about what I do think, say, or would say, to real people, never mind, in any future discussion on the subject.

Kagehi, the main point it seems you’re missing here is that nobody owes it to you or anyone else to eat foods you approve of them eating. Nobody owes you or anyone else an attempt at thinness. Behaving as if they do, which is what you’re doing, is fat shaming. You are, right now in this very thread, the subject of which is the pain and anger which comes from actual human beings being fat shamed, condemning folks you don’t know as well as folks you do for their food choices as if they owe you a kagehi-approved diet due to their appearance. Because they are fat. This is harmful behavior on your part. Then you double down that there’s some fat people you can sympathize with, that it’s not them you have no respect for, it’s those other fat people, as if that would be an acceptable line of argument if you were engaging in it for any other form of discrimination. You know it wouldn’t if the topic was another social attitude with causes harm to marginalized folk. It isn’t here, either.

You are absolutely correct. I also, somewhat, resent the idea that “a basket full of goodies” represents a valid response from Marilove though. It misses the point, intentionally, just to salt the wound. There is a bloody difference between, “We have having a birthday”, and, “We are doing weekly shopping”. The former.. I am fine with, while the later… curse me, call me an ass, or what ever you want, it makes me uneasy, and not because of fear, but because I see people in my own damn family make stupid choices between things they know damn well they shouldn’t buy, versus what they need, like buying a box of cookies, instead.. just about anything else they might choose. If there is “fear” in me, its that other people are making the same choices, not because they won’t make good ones, but because they don’t even know what the good ones are, or worse, can’t afford them. So, yes, I was a damned idiot, and unclear, and, do to being a bit annoyed by the whole thing, still less coherent than I needed to be in some posts that followed.

That being said.. I still don’t like having my sentences cut off, intentionally, so that only the “worst parts” are presented. We are supposed to be (albeit still human, so really..) better than that.

Right.. sorry, some someone.

Possibly the reason it seemed to not “make sense” though was that I didn’t stick with just the one specific issue, and instead attempted to point out that its a lot of issues, and that I understand that, even if I stated it horribly? Guess I just tend to look more at “big picture” and have a harder time focusing on the parts, sometimes, which doesn’t make for as focused a discussion as people want.

Actually, no. That **was** a bloody stupid, totally insensitive, way to put it. Too much reality TV, and the sort of narrow, shoehorning, you get from that on such subjects.. Not that ‘that’ is an excuse, at all, for my putting it that way, or not being clearer about what I meant. I realize that I chose my words badly. What is annoying me though is the unwillingness to do anything *other* than just talk about that and nothing else, however, and someone else put it, “just having half formed opinions that make no sense”. Well, if that is the entire conversation, then I apologize for both being such a complete idiot, and not realizing how big of one everyone thought it made me. Mea culpa, But, then what, if anything?

You have a better way to say it, by all means, try doing so, instead of just whining about my grammatical choices.

If you’re only shaming “those people” in your head, why can I read it on the internet?
Your concern is damn useless as it comes worded in the same, crappy body-shaming language as all the others who do so use. I know, I know, it’s for our own damn good.

“Yes, because nothing “in” that wall of text could have possibly admitted you where correct, or been intended to try, how ever badly, to explain what I really meant.. I”

IT’s not tl;dr — it’s that YOU MAKE NO FUCKING SENSE. Not to mention the little that *does* make sense is seriously underdeveloped. You just have some opinions based on assumptions about people you don’t know. That’s it. Ugh.

“I never intended to advocate for “assuming” someone is wrong, or doing wrong, by how they look, or, at least not intentionally. But, I do believe that, never the less, it is as much of a mistake to assume that nothing is wrong, and its not anyone else’s business, as to assume that there **is** something wrong, and it needs to be fixed. ”

WOOOW that is a bunch of word salad. Wilted, slimy word salad. UGH.