Comments on: Some Incomplete Thoughts on Mental Illness and Shame https://the-orbit.net/greta/2013/03/22/some-incomplete-thoughts-on-mental-illness-and-shame/ Atheism, sex, politics, dreams, and whatever. Mon, 05 Sep 2016 19:00:54 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.1.6 By: The Marvin: A Proposed Unit to Measure Depression https://the-orbit.net/greta/2013/03/22/some-incomplete-thoughts-on-mental-illness-and-shame/#comment-54884 Mon, 05 Sep 2016 19:00:54 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/greta/?p=8163#comment-54884 […] Also recommended: Greta Christina’s “Some Incomplete Thoughts on Mental Illness and Shame.” […]

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By: Givesgoodemail https://the-orbit.net/greta/2013/03/22/some-incomplete-thoughts-on-mental-illness-and-shame/#comment-25326 Fri, 29 Mar 2013 01:47:12 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/greta/?p=8163#comment-25326 One man’s opinion here–

I ride my depression. Give it full rein for awhile, and when the tears have dried up for a bit I do a mental inventory to figure out what’s set it off *this* time.

I avoid certain pieces of music, keep myself busy with work to put a quash on the memories that set me off, and will queue up favorite light movies and a big pile of salted-sunflower-seeds-and-tempered-chocolate patties for an all-nighter. It plays hell with my sleep schedule and diabetes, but that beats the hell of contemplating razor blades and pills.

YMMV.

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By: StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return! https://the-orbit.net/greta/2013/03/22/some-incomplete-thoughts-on-mental-illness-and-shame/#comment-25325 Wed, 27 Mar 2013 11:47:16 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/greta/?p=8163#comment-25325

And if so… how do you deal with it?

In my case, probably badly. I’m pretty messed up in a lot of ways I know and I also know i dn’t always deal with things well. I drink too much, I try to do my best and muddle through.

You have my sympathies & my admiration for whatever they may be worth and as many internet [[[hugs]]] as you want if you want them.

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By: Literate Perversions | A Modest Proposal: The Marvin, a Unit of Depression https://the-orbit.net/greta/2013/03/22/some-incomplete-thoughts-on-mental-illness-and-shame/#comment-25324 Tue, 26 Mar 2013 00:42:33 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/greta/?p=8163#comment-25324 […] Also recommended: Greta Christina’s “Some Incomplete Thoughts on Mental Illness and Shame.” […]

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By: Emma https://the-orbit.net/greta/2013/03/22/some-incomplete-thoughts-on-mental-illness-and-shame/#comment-25323 Mon, 25 Mar 2013 22:37:20 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/greta/?p=8163#comment-25323 In a word, yes. And it’s super difficult, Greta, because there’s absolutely no way to deal with it.

There’s no real way to deal with invalidation because of mental illness, in my experience—most of the time, people either get it or they do not get it. And if they don’t, and they’re becoming toxic to you, the best thing I’ve done is to ignore what they say and to never discuss my depression with them again. Sad, but honestly, it’s the only thing that’s gotten me a moment’s peace with some people.

There’s normally two extremes—either people assume that because you have MDD (like me) or some other mood disorder, you’re ALWAYS depressed and on the brink of a psychological break, or they assume that it’s not really as bad as you’re making it sound. The latter is the more common one, IME, but a lot of people tend to transition between the two, as in they’ll at first think I’m making a big deal for no reason, and then I’ll actually tell them what my life has been like because of depression, and suddenly they’ll completely turn around and think I’m about to jump off a bridge (when that is often not the case these days, however often it may have been in the past).

Depression is hard enough. We need to stop judging people and shaming them because they’re not “ill enough” for us, or they’re “too ill” for us. Beyond the fact that it doesn’t really matter how much pain someone is in when they’re pain, it’s just not our business to know exactly “how depressed” someone is so that we can DECIDE whether or not they are worthy of our validation. You know what? They’re hurting, and they deserve to have that hurting validated, regardless of how much they “seem” to be hurting. They don’t owe it to us to show us the blood, you know what I mean? This isn’t CSI, I’m not owed evidence of anyone’s suffering, nor should I attempt to investigate their suffering because they deserve to be believed. Seriously.

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By: chelseabutler https://the-orbit.net/greta/2013/03/22/some-incomplete-thoughts-on-mental-illness-and-shame/#comment-25322 Mon, 25 Mar 2013 17:02:11 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/greta/?p=8163#comment-25322 “I’m fine with the world knowing that I’m depressed, that I’m on anti-depressants and in therapy, that the depression sometimes interferes with my ability to work and socialize and otherwide function, that right now I have to make managing my mental health close to my top priority. I’m not fine with the world thinking that I tried to slash my wrists.
And yet, at the same time, I also have anxiety about people thinking that I’m less depressed than I really am: an anxiety about people thinking that I’m malingering, using the depression as an excuse to avoid responsibility.”

This makes complete sense to me. I’m not sure what YOUR actual reasons are for thinking this way, it could be any number of things, but what it looks like TO ME is that you simply want people to believe the TRUTH about your depression. You don’t want people to over-estimate it and think you have no self-control or agency and are helpless, but you also don’t want people to underestimate it, think it’s NBD, and ignore your needs (when people think that, they stop asking how you are, which really sucks, because then the burden is on you to bring it up and then you feel like you’re being a whiney pain… sigh. :/ At least, that’s my experience.). Perhaps, if it were factually the case that you had slashed your wrists, you would not be so concerned with people thinking that. Or maybe you would, simply because of the culture of shame and silence around that topic, but it seems to me that you really try to surmount that and be as honest as possible.

So what I’m saying, I guess, is that I think those concerns you have about people getting the wrong idea about your depression are completely rational, and tied to your overarching desire for people to generally believe the truth about things. Just a hypothesis.

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By: crookedmongoose https://the-orbit.net/greta/2013/03/22/some-incomplete-thoughts-on-mental-illness-and-shame/#comment-25321 Mon, 25 Mar 2013 08:34:55 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/greta/?p=8163#comment-25321 I have scars from an attempted suicide on the insides of both my wrists. On one wrist they’re barely noticeable, but on the other both the scars and the suture scars are very clear. I have a cuff bracelet I wear almost all the time when I’m out in public (class, work, so on). Wearing long sleeves doesn’t really work for me because I compulsively pull them up (always have). I have friends who insist they aren’t that noticeable, and that anyone who has a problem with them is clearly an asshole, but I’ve had people give me weird looks and acquaintances who don’t know the story grab my wrists and scold me.

I’m slowly growing less self-conscious about them, but it’s been hard, and it adds to my general agoraphobic anxiety when I have to wonder about what other people will think. I especially worry about making sure they’re covered when I have an important meeting or a job interview, because I don’t want to look unstable when trying to make a good impression. And more than anything else, I want badly to avoid the pitying looks and the need to explain to all the people who think it’s their goddamn business what happened to you.

This isn’t really helpful, I’m afraid. :-/

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By: anon15 https://the-orbit.net/greta/2013/03/22/some-incomplete-thoughts-on-mental-illness-and-shame/#comment-25320 Sun, 24 Mar 2013 17:19:38 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/greta/?p=8163#comment-25320 For me, the shame is the most difficult part. Also, the guilt that comes from not being able to trust even my closest friends with the *full* story. They should know, these are people who care deeply for me, and hiding these things only adds to the sense of shame and guilt.
I’ve had an eating disorder for about ten years now. I started scratching and cutting again a few months ago. I’ve been pondering suicide on and off for about fifteen years now, pretty much daily for the past year.

I’m turning 30 in two months time and two weeks ago, for the first time, went to see a doctor. Pretty much got to skip all waiting lists and was in with a therapist the next day. Turns out, they do actually take you seriously. Who knew. Since then I’ve been mostly sitting around in a bit of a daze and just following her directions.

I’m still hugely uncomfortable with all of it. After having people, teachers in particular, my entire life tell me I’m lazy, disinterested, unmotivated and lacking in willpower, having a therapist tell me it takes an enormous amount of mental strength to stay functional, as in managing a job, college and a social life, for this amount of time is.. weird.

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By: Goodbye Enemy Janine https://the-orbit.net/greta/2013/03/22/some-incomplete-thoughts-on-mental-illness-and-shame/#comment-25319 Sat, 23 Mar 2013 19:41:33 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/greta/?p=8163#comment-25319 For the last eighteen years, I have has a ten inch scar going from the middle of my palm and down the inner part of my wrist. It is exactly where a cut would be if one were to try a serious wrist cutting suicide. But it is not the result of an attempt. It was to place a metal plate in my wrist to keep a broken bone together.

When my cast came off, I was afraid that people would notice the scar and ask I was suicidal. It has yet to happen. But it did take a few years for the fear that someone might ask to fade away.

Not sure if this helps but I hope it does.

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By: demonhellfish https://the-orbit.net/greta/2013/03/22/some-incomplete-thoughts-on-mental-illness-and-shame/#comment-25318 Sat, 23 Mar 2013 17:27:05 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/greta/?p=8163#comment-25318 Setting aside the important content of this post, which I’m not competent to comment on…

*Damn* you can write! Clear, evocative, and thoughtful.

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