Comments on: So Much Wrong, Part 3: thunderf00t and Sexual Harassment https://the-orbit.net/greta/2012/06/27/so-much-wrong-part-3-thunderf00t-and-sexual-harassment/ Atheism, sex, politics, dreams, and whatever. Fri, 12 Oct 2012 18:48:48 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.1.6 By: Mad Greta: Beyond Thunderf00t « SkepDirt https://the-orbit.net/greta/2012/06/27/so-much-wrong-part-3-thunderf00t-and-sexual-harassment/#comment-16919 Fri, 12 Oct 2012 18:48:48 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/greta/?p=5451#comment-16919 […] last! Greta Christina’s five-part anthology (1 2 3 4) on the horrible mind of fellow Freethoughtblogger Thunderf00t has concluded! Some final […]

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By: Brandi Wandi https://the-orbit.net/greta/2012/06/27/so-much-wrong-part-3-thunderf00t-and-sexual-harassment/#comment-16918 Fri, 29 Jun 2012 06:03:44 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/greta/?p=5451#comment-16918 I am a bit surprised at how T-foot decided to make his blog debut. Considering how he acts over attacks on his personal yt channel he can’t possibly expect us ladies to just shrug all this off.
I guess if it doesn’t effect him in the slightest he could give a fuck.
I am somewhat thankful to him though, without him these fabulous posts wouldn’t be here for my consumption

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By: Greta Christina https://the-orbit.net/greta/2012/06/27/so-much-wrong-part-3-thunderf00t-and-sexual-harassment/#comment-16917 Thu, 28 Jun 2012 17:33:44 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/greta/?p=5451#comment-16917 Mike Callahan @ #60: No. It is not begging to be said. As someone who has been on the receiving end of way too many “you’re ugly, therefore I’m going to dismiss what you say” attacks (and any amount is too many), I’m going to step in. This is not appropriate. Please do not criticize people’s ideas by insulting their personal appearance.

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By: volty https://the-orbit.net/greta/2012/06/27/so-much-wrong-part-3-thunderf00t-and-sexual-harassment/#comment-16916 Thu, 28 Jun 2012 17:18:26 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/greta/?p=5451#comment-16916 @Mike

Agreed with Anna. That’s really inappropriate. How someone looks has nothing to do with how misogynistic or likely to harass they are.

It also feeds into the idea that the people doing the harassing/defending harassers are just “socially awkward”, “have trouble with girls”, or “probably just have Aspergers”. (Now, blaming harassment on people on the spectrum is common, and horribly, horribly ableist and FUCKING INCORRECT and people need to stop doing it.)

The whole “well they’re just awkward” thing also perpetuates a LOT of myths about sexual harassment itself. Namely, that it’s something that happens mostly because of innocent misunderstanding. Or, “that’s something only creepy people do, so those types are easy to spot and avoid”. This leads to a shit ton of victim blaming and also blaming the wrong people for the problem. Sexual harassment happens because of rape culture and the entitlement complex that comes with it. This obviously makes a policy to deal with it that much more important. People who harass need to know they won’t get away with their bullshit.

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By: anna https://the-orbit.net/greta/2012/06/27/so-much-wrong-part-3-thunderf00t-and-sexual-harassment/#comment-16915 Thu, 28 Jun 2012 16:33:14 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/greta/?p=5451#comment-16915 @Mike

Its not begging to be said. Its better left unsaid and is really really innapropriate. Insulting someones appearance adds nothing to anything, its really demeaning and dismissive

If you are being a troll please stop

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By: Mike Callahan https://the-orbit.net/greta/2012/06/27/so-much-wrong-part-3-thunderf00t-and-sexual-harassment/#comment-16914 Thu, 28 Jun 2012 16:24:02 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/greta/?p=5451#comment-16914 When I insulted Tfoots looks, I thought it was begging to be said by someone. His scruffy appearance and attitude probably has a lot to do with his inability to connect with women. He is probably just another awkward social misfit that chokes near a nice woman. They look right by him as if he was invisible. Remember when ZZ Top said, “Woman go crazy for a sharp dressed man”? TFoot hasn’t a clue I think.
When he was flying that drone over the wilderness area, he was probably scanning for naked women swimming in those lakes. That might be his only way of ever getting a good look.

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By: Tsu Dho Nimh https://the-orbit.net/greta/2012/06/27/so-much-wrong-part-3-thunderf00t-and-sexual-harassment/#comment-16913 Thu, 28 Jun 2012 14:55:32 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/greta/?p=5451#comment-16913 What’s your point? “My friend’s personal assessment” does not equal “accurate statistics on the frequency of sexual harassment at TAM 9 compared to previous TAMs.”

The friend of TF may have the sort of body language and interaction style that inhibits harassment. Harassers in part pick their targets based on whether they think they will get away with it.

Decades ago, I worked with a sales manager who never – never, by glance, movement, or words – acted inappropriately towards me. He was abruptly dismissed when he tried to play grab-ass with a newly hired office assistant. She shoved him away, marched right into HR and said, “You wouldn’t believe what ___ just did!” They believed her.

The investigation revealed that he had been sexually harassing most of the female production techs ever since his hiring. But he never viewed me as prey, never viewed me as someone he could safely harass. So he planed it safe.

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By: Tsu Dho Nimh https://the-orbit.net/greta/2012/06/27/so-much-wrong-part-3-thunderf00t-and-sexual-harassment/#comment-16912 Thu, 28 Jun 2012 12:20:13 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/greta/?p=5451#comment-16912 I’ve seen some of this first hand, and was happy to help try to resolve the matter in an appropriate and mature fashion.

So why is this issue getting such resistance from Thunderf00t?

Prevention beats intervention, and the appropriate and mature thing to prevent most of the harassment is to make the conference’s stance on harassment (sexual, racial, etc.) clear and unambiguous.

You know, like with a written policy about it, and procedures to follow if/when it happens so that everyone is on the same page, has the same information, and everyone knows what to do.

It should be right in there with the how to call emergency medical assistance policy and procedures.

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By: Daz https://the-orbit.net/greta/2012/06/27/so-much-wrong-part-3-thunderf00t-and-sexual-harassment/#comment-16911 Thu, 28 Jun 2012 12:13:31 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/greta/?p=5451#comment-16911 Another thing about that 1 in 100-1,000 ‘statistic’. It says nothing about the number of harassed, just the number of harassers. Seems like an arse-about-face way of looking at it, I’d think.

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By: joel https://the-orbit.net/greta/2012/06/27/so-much-wrong-part-3-thunderf00t-and-sexual-harassment/#comment-16910 Thu, 28 Jun 2012 09:02:23 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/greta/?p=5451#comment-16910 Thank you Greta. You are so patient, as are many of the women and men here who over and over again explain what sexual harassment is and how it affects women and ultimately all of us.

TF appears be a one-way skeptic that is, one who does not look with a skeptical eye at his own views.

How did he get invited to ftb what is the process? .

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