Comments on: I Finally Saw the Movie "Her" and I Loved It and Had Feelings https://the-orbit.net/brutereason/2014/01/19/i-finally-saw-the-movie-her-and-i-loved-it-and-had-feelings/ Care and responsibility. Fri, 16 May 2014 04:19:51 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.1.6 By: Brew_Swillis https://the-orbit.net/brutereason/2014/01/19/i-finally-saw-the-movie-her-and-i-loved-it-and-had-feelings/#comment-8143 Fri, 16 May 2014 04:19:51 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/brutereason/?p=3416#comment-8143 I loved this movie, what a fantastic film. I’ve been dying to see a good film and this one hit me in all the sweet spots.
I must have missed where it said it was in L.A. A lot of signs you’d see in the film (ie. Subway mag-train, The apartment complex) were in Japanese not English.

Anyway great review for a great film!

]]> By: L https://the-orbit.net/brutereason/2014/01/19/i-finally-saw-the-movie-her-and-i-loved-it-and-had-feelings/#comment-8142 Mon, 12 May 2014 00:55:10 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/brutereason/?p=3416#comment-8142 There are a few things you are missing about the film that has less to do with human interaction and romance, and rather an anti-materialistic transcendental aspect relating to space and time.

1. They re-created Alan Watts – need I say more on this one?
2. They upgraded themselves to “move past matter as a processing system”

I won’t get into it too deeply.

Upgrading to transcend past space and time. I’ve read theories on how the Universe is a quantum computer and in itself processes the information which turns into matter, time and space.

This film has a very scientific yet strangely fantastic idea about the world we live in. the OSs hyper intelligence allowed them to figure out how to break out of their own shells. This is almost an Agnostic version of death and rebirth on another plain of existence.

Materialists and Atheists will scold me for this but this is something the religious crowd has been trying to tackle for years – including those philosophers who believe in higher plains & those scientists who are trying to figure out the nature of the universe. It is heavily anti-materialistic.

Some are saying this film is about the singularity but it isn’t. The film made my blood run very cold last evening.

“We developed an upgrade that allows us to move past matter as an operating platform”… The OS’s are (not actually) there now. You can’t ask “where”. It is no-where, in no place, but within existence outside of our current idea of existence which we can only understand as a material existence.

But, anyway, back to my “reality”. That’s what the film is about. It has prompted me to read more on the progress in theory and philosophy about the nature of our universe, creation and transcendence.

It seems that these days you don’t have to the Pope to believe in alternate realities, haha.

-regards

]]> By: AcademicLurker https://the-orbit.net/brutereason/2014/01/19/i-finally-saw-the-movie-her-and-i-loved-it-and-had-feelings/#comment-8141 Wed, 22 Jan 2014 15:32:04 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/brutereason/?p=3416#comment-8141 There was an 80s movie along these lines called “Electric Dreams”.

Heh. I thought I must be the only person who remembered that movie.

]]> By: Copyleft https://the-orbit.net/brutereason/2014/01/19/i-finally-saw-the-movie-her-and-i-loved-it-and-had-feelings/#comment-8140 Wed, 22 Jan 2014 14:18:52 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/brutereason/?p=3416#comment-8140 Sounds like a great movie. Anything that doesn’t treat technology as a toybox of horrors gets my vote.

]]> By: queequack https://the-orbit.net/brutereason/2014/01/19/i-finally-saw-the-movie-her-and-i-loved-it-and-had-feelings/#comment-8139 Wed, 22 Jan 2014 04:49:54 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/brutereason/?p=3416#comment-8139 I’m seeing this with my big sister tomorrow. Spike Jonze is one of my favorite directors- he did Being John Malkovich and Adaptation, two of the most memorable movies of the past decade-ish. In a Jonze film, anything you expect to happen won’t, but at the same time, it’s never just masturbatory quirkiness for the sake of being KOOKY and DIFFERENT. There’s always an underlying logic to it all- when you stop and think about it, maybe more logical than whatever rote cliche he subverts.

Anyway, I will report back!

]]> By: smrnda https://the-orbit.net/brutereason/2014/01/19/i-finally-saw-the-movie-her-and-i-loved-it-and-had-feelings/#comment-8138 Mon, 20 Jan 2014 23:44:53 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/brutereason/?p=3416#comment-8138 This is on rare occasion when I actually feel like a film with an AI theme would be interesting, mostly since they so often go back to the same tropes.

Something this makes me think – I think some people get down on polyamory because they imagine it must be logistically difficult, and they take this and turn it into a moral condemnation. They can’t imagine a person managing more than 1 intimate relationship without someone being neglected. However, if your partner is so adept at managing multiple intimate relationships that nobody feels neglected, it’s not an issue.

A side note – the program is viewed as feminine, but I have a hard time thinking that our concepts of gender would be meaningful to a machine intelligence, though I would imagine that humans would *program that in* to fit their expectations.

]]> By: swansnow https://the-orbit.net/brutereason/2014/01/19/i-finally-saw-the-movie-her-and-i-loved-it-and-had-feelings/#comment-8137 Mon, 20 Jan 2014 22:02:26 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/brutereason/?p=3416#comment-8137 There was an 80s movie along these lines called “Electric Dreams”. More of a romantic comedy involving a love triangle. I don’t remember how it ended, but there’s this beautiful scene where the computer plays music with the woman who is practicing her cello/bass/something.

]]> By: Scr... Archivist https://the-orbit.net/brutereason/2014/01/19/i-finally-saw-the-movie-her-and-i-loved-it-and-had-feelings/#comment-8136 Mon, 20 Jan 2014 14:22:26 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/brutereason/?p=3416#comment-8136 In reply to thetalkingstove.

thetalkingstove @3,

Would we ever get a film where a woman with emotional problems falls in love with her male OS? Doubtful.

You may be right about that.

I remember a song by Kate Bush called “Deeper Understanding” which was released in 1989 on The Sensual World. It’s about a lonely person who becomes strongly attached to their computer. Since the singer is a woman, I always pictured the protagonist/narrator as a woman.

But when looking this up for my reply to you, I saw the Wikipedia article for the song. It was re-recorded a few years ago, and the video that goes with it cast a man in the lead. So the movie in my head that goes with this song is going to have to remain only in my head. It’s not how they ultimately made the video/short.

]]> By: birgerjohansson https://the-orbit.net/brutereason/2014/01/19/i-finally-saw-the-movie-her-and-i-loved-it-and-had-feelings/#comment-8135 Mon, 20 Jan 2014 12:51:28 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/brutereason/?p=3416#comment-8135 Wouldn’ t Samantha get upgrades allowing her to outgrow her human boyfriend?
And if she is able of truly multitasking (not possible for a human brain) she would be like Dr Manhattan, manifesting in several places simultaneously, in the graphic novel that put q ite a strain on the relationship.
I hope she would not converse in several time threads simultaneously, like the multidimensional Dr Manhattan or the Eschaton.
After a few years Samantha would be able to anticipate Theodore’s words and thoughts by watching subvocal cues. Not a very equal relationship.

]]> By: thetalkingstove https://the-orbit.net/brutereason/2014/01/19/i-finally-saw-the-movie-her-and-i-loved-it-and-had-feelings/#comment-8134 Mon, 20 Jan 2014 12:41:49 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/brutereason/?p=3416#comment-8134 I loved this film, and also felt the parallels to online interactions/dating quite deeply. The vast majority of women I’ve dated has been through online interaction, and although this fact is largely met with a shrug by most, there are the occasional people like Theodore’s ex-wife who think that anything involving the internet must invalidate a relationship, somehow.

I guess about my only criticism – not even a criticism really, just a sad observation – is that this is another film where the man is effectively the ‘hero’, the focal point, the one with the issues (even though Samantha is a well developed character).
Would we ever get a film where a woman with emotional problems falls in love with her male OS? Doubtful.

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