Comments on: "Love Yourself": A Beautiful But Flawed Idea https://the-orbit.net/brutereason/2013/01/11/love-yourself-a-beautiful-but-flawed-idea/ Care and responsibility. Tue, 15 Oct 2013 17:15:11 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.1.6 By: AdmiralSakai https://the-orbit.net/brutereason/2013/01/11/love-yourself-a-beautiful-but-flawed-idea/#comment-3449 Tue, 15 Oct 2013 17:15:11 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/brutereason/?p=2394#comment-3449 What I find really, really creepy about these campaigns is their insistence that the target audience (specifically younger women) must “love their bodies”in order to feel happy with themselves. Apparently, if a woman is unattractive, it doesn’t matter how strong or intelligent or personable or otherwise capable she is.

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By: meistegeist https://the-orbit.net/brutereason/2013/01/11/love-yourself-a-beautiful-but-flawed-idea/#comment-3448 Wed, 03 Apr 2013 15:30:50 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/brutereason/?p=2394#comment-3448 The biggest problem I have with the “loving yourself” concept is that it tends to imply that you can never, ever think anything negative about yourself, or it means that you don’t love yourself. And that’s just counterproductive. So when I get into a funk (which in my case tend to last 2-3 days), it’s just my way of rebooting. Loving yourself means being OK with the fact that you’re not going to love yourself, or even like yourself, all the time–and that’s OK.

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By: “Consent Is Sexy” Is Useful But Also Kind Of Gross » Brute Reason https://the-orbit.net/brutereason/2013/01/11/love-yourself-a-beautiful-but-flawed-idea/#comment-3447 Sun, 17 Feb 2013 01:23:34 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/brutereason/?p=2394#comment-3447 […] often write about very well-intentioned principles or campaigns that have blind spots and negative […]

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By: Link Love (07/02/2013) « Becky's Kaleidoscope https://the-orbit.net/brutereason/2013/01/11/love-yourself-a-beautiful-but-flawed-idea/#comment-3446 Thu, 07 Feb 2013 17:47:41 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/brutereason/?p=2394#comment-3446 […] “As well-intentioned as these body positivity and self-esteem campaigns are, it starts to feel very alienating when everyone around you is busy Loving Themselves and you just can’t seem to get there. With every injunction to “love yourself” comes an implicit blame if you do not.” “Love Yourself”: A Beautiful But Flawed Idea – Brute Reason […]

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By: Fiona https://the-orbit.net/brutereason/2013/01/11/love-yourself-a-beautiful-but-flawed-idea/#comment-3445 Fri, 01 Feb 2013 12:09:32 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/brutereason/?p=2394#comment-3445 For many of us, our ability to ‘love’ ourselves or not has a lot to do with our experiences growing up. How can a child who is abused, bullied at school because abuse meant lack of adequate basics for life and shyness, who constantly misses out because of the home problems and so on – how can they learn to love themselves? There are many out there who experience something like this. If you are brought up treated as and told over and over that you are worthless, that is your reality. No amount of looking in a mirror and trying to accept what you see there or being okay with yourself can change that. it takes years in therapy to even chip away at it. No amount of self esteem classes at school will reverse the damage done at home and by your peers. And it’s not an outer inferiority alone. It’s a feeling of complete utter ‘wrong-ness’ to your very core. Like you are an alien in this world.
I think the best preventative measures we can do are look after and look out for our children.

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By: rizarosetteRiza https://the-orbit.net/brutereason/2013/01/11/love-yourself-a-beautiful-but-flawed-idea/#comment-3444 Sun, 20 Jan 2013 12:04:10 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/brutereason/?p=2394#comment-3444 As a teenager, I went through a pretty rough depression- I hated myself, absolutely. And it sucked, because depression does that.

I got through it with three words. “I love you”. I made it a point, to tell at least three people, every day, that I loved them. And hearing it back got me through it.
If you hear something over and over, it’s natural to start to believe it. Hearing others say “I love you” every day instilled in me the belief that I am loved, and loveable- and over time I grew to love myself.

My self-esteem isn’t perfect, but it’s improved. And I have more “I’m fantastic” days than not.

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By: On Learning To Love Yourself – Ozy Frantz's Blog https://the-orbit.net/brutereason/2013/01/11/love-yourself-a-beautiful-but-flawed-idea/#comment-3443 Sat, 19 Jan 2013 10:42:51 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/brutereason/?p=2394#comment-3443 […] had some really interesting things to say about self-love, which has started to get me to think about the problems I have with the […]

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By: A Total Eclipse of the Linkspam | Consider the Tea Cosy https://the-orbit.net/brutereason/2013/01/11/love-yourself-a-beautiful-but-flawed-idea/#comment-3442 Fri, 18 Jan 2013 11:31:29 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/brutereason/?p=2394#comment-3442 […] “Love Yourself”: A Beautiful But Flawed Idea […]

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By: Miriam, Professional Fun-Ruiner https://the-orbit.net/brutereason/2013/01/11/love-yourself-a-beautiful-but-flawed-idea/#comment-3441 Wed, 16 Jan 2013 23:01:47 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/brutereason/?p=2394#comment-3441 In reply to Lindsay.

Hey Lindsay! Glad to see you here. I think your points about autism and athletics are really interesting, though I obviously can’t agree or disagree since I’m not autistic or an athlete. It does go in line with what I know from talking to people and reading, though.

Disability is another interesting area of intersectionality. I know that some people with disabilities eventually end up taking pride in them, but that probably doesn’t make the “LOVE YOUR BODY” injunction any less alienating.

I think that good self-esteem can protect against certain causes of depression but not others. Sometimes people are subjected to levels of stress that they just can’t deal with and depression is the result; other times relatively minor negative events can kind of tip someone over into depression, and maybe that wouldn’t have happened had they been more emotionally healthy to begin with.

Personally, I had really low self-esteem for all of my childhood and adolescence, but once I started recovering from depression it started getting much better. Trying to raise my self-esteem didn’t work and it didn’t help me recover, though. It had to happen on its own, I think.

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By: Lindsay https://the-orbit.net/brutereason/2013/01/11/love-yourself-a-beautiful-but-flawed-idea/#comment-3440 Wed, 16 Jan 2013 22:00:55 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/brutereason/?p=2394#comment-3440 Hi, Miriam!

I do actually love myself, and my body, so for me, seeing all the injunctions to do so in the popular media weren’t a problem, though I did wonder why anyone would have to consciously *try* to love themselves. There are a lot of reasons why I grew up that way, although school self-esteem policies are not one of them. (I’m older than you, so maybe I missed that. I had actually thought a lot of the sillier stuff — participation ribbons for everyone, homework assignments/class exercises on what you like about yourself — were figments of conservative critics’ imagination, like the “multicultural” college lit classes where no one read Shakespeare or Milton anymore.) What did seem to contribute to me having such healthy (or excessive, depending on your point of view!) self-esteem are 1) having autism and knowing it from a very young age, 2) having perhaps a lesser degree of self-consciousness than most people for most of my childhood, due to said condition, and 3) athletics. Even now, I do not notice changes in how my body looks as much as I notice changes in what it can do — if I tire more or less quickly, what is easy or hard for me to lift, how long I can run etc. — more than I do changes in, say, waist size or visible muscle definition. I know it’s not necessarily true for most autistic people, but I really did have a lot less of an ability to imagine what other people were thinking when I was a child and adolescent. So I couldn’t really “see” myself from the outside, or even conceive of that as a thing I should be doing. So I never developed the critical gaze directed at myself that I have since read that most young women develop during adolescence.

The other aspect of it related to my autism is that, because I could talk, I was always in an Explainer role with teachers and other adults who were curious about autism and what it meant to have it. So instead of being stigmatized, I was always having people ask me about how I saw things, and learning that what I said mattered. Lots of autistic people have criticized this role, the “self-narrating zoo exhibit,” as being another way we learn to Other ourselves, but for me it seems to have been mostly helpful, teaching me to advocate for myself and know what my special needs were, and know how I was different and that being different is not Bad.

However, I still think your criticisms are totally valid. I’d also add that people with physical disabilities are another kind of person for whom “Love Your Body” is problematic — how’re you supposed to love something that’s causing you pain, or that doesn’t work as well as you might wish it did?

Also, I still managed to develop depression in college. It wasn’t at all characterized by feelings of being worthless or anything, but I was sad, I did cry all the time, and I *was* obsessed with killing myself. So sky-high self-esteem, in my case, doesn’t seem to have had any protective effect.

I think this is my first comment on your new blog … I had been worried I’d need to create a new user account just for FtB and didn’t want to mess with that, even though I’ve often commented on your posts in the past. It looks like my WP account is working, though, so you’ll probably see more of me!

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