Comments on: White Boyz With Problems https://the-orbit.net/blackskeptics/2013/08/22/white-boyz-with-problems/ Just another The Orbit site Thu, 19 Sep 2013 11:26:26 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.1.6 By: I Wrote This While Pissed (Part 3 of 3) | sanromero https://the-orbit.net/blackskeptics/2013/08/22/white-boyz-with-problems/#comment-2891 Thu, 19 Sep 2013 11:26:26 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/blackskeptics/?p=1202#comment-2891 […] A special shout out to Sikivu Hutchinson, post here:  , for her excellent analysis on why JT’s actions are racist http://freethoughtblogs.com/blackskeptics/2013/08/22/white-boyz-with-problems/ […]

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By: Intersectional Collisions: Benevolent Sexism, Race, and JT Eberhard | The Feminist Hivemind https://the-orbit.net/blackskeptics/2013/08/22/white-boyz-with-problems/#comment-2890 Mon, 02 Sep 2013 16:00:46 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/blackskeptics/?p=1202#comment-2890 […] you know anything about the JT Whitesplains Anti-Racism to Bria Crutchfield trainwreck or not, go read this post by Sikivu Hutchinson writing at Black Skeptics first. And if you only have time/energy to read one […]

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By: Jeremiah https://the-orbit.net/blackskeptics/2013/08/22/white-boyz-with-problems/#comment-2889 Thu, 29 Aug 2013 14:19:58 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/blackskeptics/?p=1202#comment-2889 I think that the basic issue here is that everyone learns history through the white perspective, the atrocities committed against people of all races are downplayed along with the flaws of our own white American “heroes”. The way history books are written slavery doesn’t sound all that bad and teachers are afraid of telling students the history that they undoubtedly learned in college because they don’t want white kid’s parents coming in and asking why they told their kid that white people have the capacity to be awful too. The crime problem in the US isn’t a black problem or a white problem, it’s a poverty problem. I’m white and live in a primarily white area right now and their is a huge meth problem in the area but all anyone ever wants to talk about is what they are going to do about the black crime in the city I live near. Of which there is maybe one to four murders per year, but they fail to talk about the break ins, fires, and explosions that occur out here. Do I think that lady had ill intentions with her question, no. Was it racist, a little bit. Did it deserve pointing out? Absolutely.

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By: WMDKitty -- Survivor https://the-orbit.net/blackskeptics/2013/08/22/white-boyz-with-problems/#comment-2888 Thu, 29 Aug 2013 00:19:19 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/blackskeptics/?p=1202#comment-2888 In reply to ronjaaddams-moring.

Fourthed.

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By: believerskeptic https://the-orbit.net/blackskeptics/2013/08/22/white-boyz-with-problems/#comment-2887 Wed, 28 Aug 2013 02:54:15 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/blackskeptics/?p=1202#comment-2887 In reply to jenBPhillips.

For what it’s worth, I feel pretty darn tainted and debased* by the actions of white people past and present. I’ve been committed to the continuous education of my own (white, privileged) kids about the shameful actions of our forbearers and current ‘brethren’ against people of color in hopes that their generation will be a better one. Still doesn’t feel like enough sometimes.

I’m astounded at how resistant people are to simply saying, or even feeling, sorry. When I see black people in every day life, being white, I often think, “I’m so sorry for the crap you must have endured in your life.” I too am trying to teach my son about “the shameful actions of our forbearers and current ‘bretheren’.” As I’ve said elsewhere, it’s one reason I won’t let my brother near my son anymore. My brother just constantly spouts vile, racist crap and I drew a line. Plus, I don’t want to be around it myself either. It’s like having a real-life Archie Bunker in my life, which I don’t want. /datedculturalreference

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By: believerskeptic https://the-orbit.net/blackskeptics/2013/08/22/white-boyz-with-problems/#comment-2886 Wed, 28 Aug 2013 02:46:29 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/blackskeptics/?p=1202#comment-2886 In reply to cityzenjane.

Certainly evidenced by his refusal to observe the First Rule of Holes.

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By: believerskeptic https://the-orbit.net/blackskeptics/2013/08/22/white-boyz-with-problems/#comment-2885 Wed, 28 Aug 2013 02:45:55 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/blackskeptics/?p=1202#comment-2885 In reply to F [is for failure to emerge].

Exactly. As is often said, “intentions are not magic.”

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By: ischemgeek https://the-orbit.net/blackskeptics/2013/08/22/white-boyz-with-problems/#comment-2884 Tue, 27 Aug 2013 23:42:37 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/blackskeptics/?p=1202#comment-2884 In reply to Phillip A.

I disagree: Everyone who lives in a racist society is racist to some degree. Ergo, JT is almost certainly racist, simply due to being immersed in the racism of North American society.

Yes, I include myself in that.

What matters isn’t so much whether you’ve been infected by cultural racist memes. What matters is whether or not you recognize the power dynamics at play, whether or not you acknowledge that the racism in our society is in fact racist, and whether or not you try to fight racist tendencies in yourself. I am nowhere near as good at any of those as I’d like to be. JT shows no sign of the first, only superficial signs of the second, and since I’m not in his head, I can’t testify to the third.

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By: beelzebubba https://the-orbit.net/blackskeptics/2013/08/22/white-boyz-with-problems/#comment-2883 Mon, 26 Aug 2013 19:39:08 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/blackskeptics/?p=1202#comment-2883 In reply to ischemgeek.

Don’t forget that she brought that dog whistle from completely out of nowhere too. Mandisa Thomas’s talk wasn’t about crime at all. The women just felt entitled to bring the “black-on-black crime” talking point in because Thomas is black.

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By: ischemgeek https://the-orbit.net/blackskeptics/2013/08/22/white-boyz-with-problems/#comment-2882 Mon, 26 Aug 2013 14:39:04 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/blackskeptics/?p=1202#comment-2882 Please forgive any incoherence as I’m running on about 3hrs of sleep here.

I’ve been bugged hugely ever since JT’s post came out by two assertions of his: Firstly, that the woman in question was “well-meaning”, and secondly, that the woman was “polite.”

I don’t think she was well meaning, because to be frank, as a white person in North America, I hear a lot of conversation in white-only company from those who think I share their beliefs. I’ve learned first-hand what the dogwhistles are. People don’t parrot Fox News that uncritically in my region of the continent unless they’ve got some sort of racist axe to grind. I’m not convinced the woman in question was as well meaning as JT and company claim.

Secondly, even if she was as well-meaning as they claim, I think it’s extremely fucked up that implying a person’s entire race is a bunch of violent thugs who don’t care about the law through dog-whistle racism is “polite” so long as no curse words are said, but defending oneself against such slander is a rude outburst.

To me, its a fuck of a lot less polite to attack someone’s humanity than it is to defend your humanity, no matter what the language used.

Which is, I think, my major issue with the Civility Warriors. In their bizarro-world sense of “fairness” and “compassion,” it’s A-okay to imply someone is sub-human, but using curse words? Never! For shame!

I can’t accept those definitions of fairness or compassion, that say that the woman in question was being polite, and that Crutchfield was being uncivil, uncompassionate, rude, and unfair to her. I can’t.

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