Comments on: Silence Still Equals Death: Sexual Violence & Women of Color https://the-orbit.net/blackskeptics/2012/04/25/silence-still-equals-death-sexual-violence-women-of-color/ Just another The Orbit site Thu, 10 May 2012 02:59:31 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.1.6 By: amodeo65 https://the-orbit.net/blackskeptics/2012/04/25/silence-still-equals-death-sexual-violence-women-of-color/#comment-1449 Thu, 10 May 2012 02:59:31 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/blackskeptics/?p=413#comment-1449 In reply to MatthewL.

I almost put my white liberal foot up my right liberal ass when responding to this post. I found myself awfully uncomfortable while reading. Was I reacting to the strident tone of the article? Was it that the message sounded oddly familiar?
I think it was a bit of both, actually. On one hand I found the tone of the post to be hostile, inflammatory (more about this later). On the other hand, I kept thinking “I’ve heard this before”. Coupled with this thought was also, “fuck, you think white women don’t suffer, too?”(Ouch. As I look at that last sentence,I can’t believe I thought it.)I kept reading bits of the article and stopping to digest before going to the next bit, and I had the above running through my mind.
I know about feminism. I know something about racism. Both of which insist you thinking about what you are thinking. Knee jerk reactions mean that something is happening emotionally. I don’t like to leave emotions unexamined.Following is not so much a response to your post as a response to my reactions to it. I think if we truly want to be who we say we are, we have to examine ourselves. I like to think of myself as a feminist and an anti-racist (?? Is there a positive way to express this?)I hope it informs you:
I remember reading strident articles and seeing movies with tough messages (Anybody seen “Not a Love Story”. That was hard to sit through)years ago,created by white women.The tone never bothered me then. In fact, I take it with young, upstart, pups and their mysongist, older brothers.
We all know white women suffer AND WE ALL KNOW that women of colour suffer MORE OFTEN. Any of us who think otherwise, or think it is none of our concern, are in denial. We, white women know that individually we may be called a bitch, but we are still considered “better” than women of colour on the whole. I also know that in my culture, being a called a bitch means you don’t submit to anybody (a label I wear proudly). You may react nastily when called one, but it means you’ve pissed somebody off. I don’t know what being called a bitch means to other people in other cultures. I know some of the conditions that some women of colour live in and I doubt names have no power over them.
Just because white women have gained alot of power, doesn’t mean we all have. The fight is not over until every last woman in the world can live where she wants, how she wants, and not have to suffer for it.
Thanks for making me think.
Oh yeah. Blame it on the parents? Give me a break.

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By: MatthewL https://the-orbit.net/blackskeptics/2012/04/25/silence-still-equals-death-sexual-violence-women-of-color/#comment-1448 Sat, 05 May 2012 15:15:49 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/blackskeptics/?p=413#comment-1448 As an OWM (older white male) I have a bit of a different perspective. In my youth “bitch” was used as a put down for uppity women. As an appreciator of uppity women I couldn’t help but think of it as more of a compliment. (Kind of the way “bastard” is a backhanded compliment for a guy who’s bested you in a negotiation.) Of course to use it as such was, and still is, a delicate matter. I recall once meeting a “bitch on wheels” attorney and thinking I would sure want her on my team.

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By: Aratina Cage https://the-orbit.net/blackskeptics/2012/04/25/silence-still-equals-death-sexual-violence-women-of-color/#comment-1447 Wed, 02 May 2012 15:56:15 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/blackskeptics/?p=413#comment-1447 In reply to tiffany.

Hah! So it is. The Ice-T rap, for comparison, is here [YouTube] and uncensored (NSFW).

As for Jay-Z narrowly missing being sniffed out for drugs by a K-9 police companion, you can actually tell how he morphs that word from referencing women to referencing a real bitch (a female dog) at one point in the song.

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By: blackskeptics https://the-orbit.net/blackskeptics/2012/04/25/silence-still-equals-death-sexual-violence-women-of-color/#comment-1446 Mon, 30 Apr 2012 20:03:23 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/blackskeptics/?p=413#comment-1446 In reply to tiffany.

No one is saying white women don’t experience internalized misogyny. The article’s focus was on the intersectionality of racism and sexism vis-a-vis the epidemic of sexualized violence against black women. See my response to Commenter #3 on the racial politics and historical and cultural differences of internalized sexism and misogyny vis-a-vis black women. Also see the Crunk Feminist Collective’s breakdown of why the Slutwalk re-appropriation was problematic from a black feminist perspective.
http://crunkfeministcollective.wordpress.com/2011/10/06/i-saw-the-sign-but-did-we-really-need-a-sign-slutwalk-and-racism

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By: tiffany https://the-orbit.net/blackskeptics/2012/04/25/silence-still-equals-death-sexual-violence-women-of-color/#comment-1445 Mon, 30 Apr 2012 19:09:12 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/blackskeptics/?p=413#comment-1445 In reply to blackskeptics.

There’s the SlutWalk movement and Bitch Magazine. So yes, there are white women who use equivalent terms either jokingly with each other, or as way to reclaim stereotypes. And no, internalized misogyny is by no means limited to black girls.

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By: tiffany https://the-orbit.net/blackskeptics/2012/04/25/silence-still-equals-death-sexual-violence-women-of-color/#comment-1444 Mon, 30 Apr 2012 19:01:25 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/blackskeptics/?p=413#comment-1444 In reply to Aratina Cage.

The origin of that “99 Problems” line is actually a 1993 Ice-T song of the same name. Jay-Z used the chorus, partly as an homage to Ice-T and partly a double entendre with “bitch” referring to a police K9 unit dog. So … it’s Ice-T’s fault 🙂

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By: crayzz https://the-orbit.net/blackskeptics/2012/04/25/silence-still-equals-death-sexual-violence-women-of-color/#comment-1443 Sun, 29 Apr 2012 03:40:19 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/blackskeptics/?p=413#comment-1443 In reply to leni.

A really depressing trend I’ve noticed is that as the pervasiveness of a problem increases, the victim blaming increases.

If you get mugged in the middle of the night, you should of known better. Don’t you know criminals come out at night? And it kind of is your fault you got raped. I mean, everyone knows that women get raped sometimes, so you shouldn’t have been attracting attention to yourself with that slutty dress. And if it’s a black women that’s been raped, the dial goes to 11, because she really must have been asking for it.
/sarcasm

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By: mynameischeese https://the-orbit.net/blackskeptics/2012/04/25/silence-still-equals-death-sexual-violence-women-of-color/#comment-1442 Sat, 28 Apr 2012 18:27:07 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/blackskeptics/?p=413#comment-1442 In reply to blackskeptics.

Thanks!

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By: blackskeptics https://the-orbit.net/blackskeptics/2012/04/25/silence-still-equals-death-sexual-violence-women-of-color/#comment-1441 Fri, 27 Apr 2012 22:07:37 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/blackskeptics/?p=413#comment-1441 In reply to mynameischeese.

Gail Dines’ “Racy Sex, Sexy Racism: Porn from the Dark Side”

http://www.scribd.com/doc/31889259/An-excerpt-from-Pornland-Racy-Sex-Sexy-Racism-Porn-from-the-Dark-Side

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By: blackskeptics https://the-orbit.net/blackskeptics/2012/04/25/silence-still-equals-death-sexual-violence-women-of-color/#comment-1440 Fri, 27 Apr 2012 22:06:43 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/blackskeptics/?p=413#comment-1440 In reply to Andre Smith.

The bad parent argument is reductive, ahistorical and fails to consider the complex realities of young black girls’ lives across class lines. So what influences the media? The cultural, economic and social history of race and gender. The social construction of black women as hos/bitches emerges from a long legacy of black women’s bodies being used for sexual and reproductive exploitation under the slave economy. 17th century colonial law institutionalizing racial slavery was specifically articulated through the control of black female sexuality — only black women’s bodies could “produce” new slaves and only black women’s reproduction was controlled to bolster plantation wealth and slaveowners’ market power. Within the cultural ideology of the plantation black women were natural jezebels, temptresses and amoral heathens in contrast to the pure ideal of the hyper-feminine civilized white woman. That legacy is borne out in the pervasiveness of black womens’ dehumanization as “unrapeable” (sexual assault of black women, by white and black men, was an oxymoron under the plantation regime and was only validated as a crime in the South in the mid-20th century) “crack hos” (i.e. Ken and John’s slur of Whitney Houston), nappy-headed hos (i.e. Don Imus’ slur of the Rutgers basketball team) and “bitches ain’t nothing but hos & tricks” (i.e., Dre Dre’s much emulated and much “admired” slur, as well as scores of others, of black women).For further reading see Paula Giddings “When and Where I Enter”, Dorothy Roberts “Killing the Black Body” and Danielle McGuire’s “At the Dark End of the Street: Rape and Resistance”

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