Comments on: Be Scofield, Greta Christina, and New Atheist racism https://the-orbit.net/blackskeptics/2012/01/31/be-scofield-greta-christina-and-new-atheist-racism/ Just another The Orbit site Tue, 17 Apr 2012 07:58:39 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.1.6 By: ik https://the-orbit.net/blackskeptics/2012/01/31/be-scofield-greta-christina-and-new-atheist-racism/#comment-619 Tue, 17 Apr 2012 07:58:39 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/blackskeptics/?p=198#comment-619 Not to mention that I’d like to see him tell an engineering school to stop forcing white concepts of physics and computer science on people.

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By: fredericksparks https://the-orbit.net/blackskeptics/2012/01/31/be-scofield-greta-christina-and-new-atheist-racism/#comment-618 Wed, 08 Feb 2012 00:03:47 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/blackskeptics/?p=198#comment-618 In reply to Raging Bee.

Indeed. Thanks for reading and commenting.

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By: Raging Bee https://the-orbit.net/blackskeptics/2012/01/31/be-scofield-greta-christina-and-new-atheist-racism/#comment-617 Tue, 07 Feb 2012 15:28:45 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/blackskeptics/?p=198#comment-617 When the Scofields and Karen Armstrongs of the world talk about how the new atheists just aren’t aware of the liberal, tolerant, sativa smoking, feminist, genderqueer god concept, my response is “I don’t believe in that motherfucker, either.”

I DO believe in that motherfucker, and so do a lot of my friends; but most of us are still stuck with the harm done by very powerful religious institutions that don’t.

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By: Raging Bee https://the-orbit.net/blackskeptics/2012/01/31/be-scofield-greta-christina-and-new-atheist-racism/#comment-616 Tue, 07 Feb 2012 15:24:35 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/blackskeptics/?p=198#comment-616 In reply to Matt.

If you tell your cousin he’s acting like a prize horse’s ass, would he listen to you?

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By: blackskeptics https://the-orbit.net/blackskeptics/2012/01/31/be-scofield-greta-christina-and-new-atheist-racism/#comment-615 Tue, 07 Feb 2012 06:28:39 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/blackskeptics/?p=198#comment-615 “When he speaks approvingly of the work of the Metro Community Church with respect to AIDS, he misses the other side of the coin, in which the black church virtually ignored the AIDS crisis unfolding in its own choir pews. African Americans are most likely to believe in literal interpretations of the Bible; this phenomenon buttresses homophobic and sexist dynamics within the black religious community. The beliefs are therefore not separate from the social justice issues, they are part and parcel, and challenging them is most definitely relevant.”

Well said. Hypermasculinist and hetero-normative traditions in AA communities have exacerbated the destructiveness of racist/classist health care policies that deny communities of color equitable access to preventive HIV/AIDS and STD education. STD contraction amongst young teenaged AA women has reached crisis proportions, yet these very same young people are steeped in a swaggeringly religious culture that tells them that racial liberation is all about propping up men and male dignity, facilitating black male access to patriarchal power and privilege, and keeping “homos” closeted.

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By: fredericksparks https://the-orbit.net/blackskeptics/2012/01/31/be-scofield-greta-christina-and-new-atheist-racism/#comment-614 Thu, 02 Feb 2012 22:16:36 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/blackskeptics/?p=198#comment-614 In reply to JesseW.

Thanks Jesse, that covers pretty much everything I would say in response to his response, so I’m good. 🙂

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By: JesseW https://the-orbit.net/blackskeptics/2012/01/31/be-scofield-greta-christina-and-new-atheist-racism/#comment-613 Thu, 02 Feb 2012 22:04:43 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/blackskeptics/?p=198#comment-613 In reply to Be Scofield.

You claim, in this piece, that you’ve “never stated or even suggested that African American religion or religion at large should be walled off or shielded from criticism.” This appears to be contradicted by the text of your original article, in a number of places. All quotes from that piece.

“Given the widespread findings due to the varieties of religious expressions how would you summarize them into one neat conclusion? The simple answer is that you can’t.” Is this not suggesting that “religion at large should be walled off or shielded from criticism”?

“The broad and sweeping attacks against “religion” by the New Atheists do little to advance any sort of helpful conversation about what communities or people really need.” Is this not stating that “religion at large” should be “shielded” from such “broad and sweeping attacks”? Is that not a suggestion that religion not be criticized in this way?

“When I hear someone advocating the conversion of believers into atheism without any sort of qualifications or context it concerns me.” Apparently you “heard” this through some means other than reading the actual blog posts where Greta Christina made the statements you quote, since those posts do (as numerous people have pointed out) contain many “qualifications” and “context”. Is not this sort of deceitful and deceptive mis-reading (and lack of citation) a way to “wall off” or “shield” “religion at large” “from criticism”?

(also posted at the reply on Tikkun)

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By: fredericksparks https://the-orbit.net/blackskeptics/2012/01/31/be-scofield-greta-christina-and-new-atheist-racism/#comment-612 Thu, 02 Feb 2012 19:02:53 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/blackskeptics/?p=198#comment-612 In reply to Marcus Ranum.

I am often told my mannerisms, inflection and speaking style remind people of Samuel L….

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By: Marcus Ranum https://the-orbit.net/blackskeptics/2012/01/31/be-scofield-greta-christina-and-new-atheist-racism/#comment-611 Thu, 02 Feb 2012 18:45:28 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/blackskeptics/?p=198#comment-611 “I don’t believe in that motherfucker, either.”

My brain voiced that by Samuel L. Jackson. And it worked.

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By: Konradius https://the-orbit.net/blackskeptics/2012/01/31/be-scofield-greta-christina-and-new-atheist-racism/#comment-610 Thu, 02 Feb 2012 11:06:55 +0000 http://freethoughtblogs.com/blackskeptics/?p=198#comment-610 In reply to No One.

Thanks! At that suggestion I just ‘heard’ Hitchens saying it, and you’re right it fits perfectly 🙂

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