Stephanie Zvan is one of the hosts for the Minnesota Atheists' radio show and podcast, Atheists Talk. She serves on the board of Secular Woman. She speaks on science and skepticism in a number of venues, including science fiction and fantasy conventions.
Stephanie has been called a science blogger and a sex blogger, but if it means she has to choose just one thing to be or blog about, she's decided she's never going to grow up. In addition to science and sex and the science of sex, you'll find quite a bit of politics here, some economics, a regular short fiction feature, and the occasional bit of concentrated weird.
Oh, and arguments. She sometimes indulges in those as well. But I'm sure everything will be just fine. Nothing to worry about. Nothing at all.
No, I disagree. The police aren’t the cause looting and violence, and society does have the right to uphold the law. (Yes, even if the protesters think they represent
99% of us.)
The police aren’t the cause looting and violence, and society does have the right to uphold the law.
1)I am not aware of any looting going on at these rallies.
2)The police almost always escalate the situation to a level it hadn’t reached before. And yes, violence is how they disperse large groups and reestablish order.
3)Uphold the law? That’s honestly what you think is going on.
Mark Shea has some thoughts about the protestors and violence here, where he describes them as “largely rather harmless”.
I’m posting this link for those thoughts but mainly because of the Colbert clip embedded in it which made me laugh like a drain.
julian, Im sorry if I made my post overly simplistic. The point about looting and violence was that there definitely are situations where riot gear is legitimately necessary and violence had already gotten out of control before the police showed up. That was the main reason I took exception to the post and following comments; the image that the mean ‘ol police are always beating on the innocent little protesters. Still, with regards to OWS, saying the police escalate the situation is like saying I escalate the situation when I tell my 2 yr old she has to stop eating candy. Sure she’d be more peaceful if I politely asked her over and over, but we all know its not going to happen until I take it all away. I protesters refuse to stop breaking a law, then they need to be arrested, and more power to the police if they chose to wear protective equipment.
actuallyserious650, the appropriate analogy would be you grabbing a paddle and carrying it with you every time you felt you needed to tell your two-year-old something. Except, of course, that the police have used their non-protective equipment (also quite visible in the picture) on several occasions.
Besides, I’m sure you’re the brand of ingrate who’d go screeching to the police demanding an immediate response if someone frightened you or stole your favorite pricey electronic . . . whatevers.
Actually, a few weeks ago our car was broken into. We filed a police report online like any other grown-ups. No screeching involved. We didn’t have to throw away the Constitution to do it either.
What I actually am is the sort of person who knows enough good cops to know that protecting and serving can be done without assaulting people peaceably exercising their civil rights.
Oh, gawd, ain’t that the truth.
They’re all geared up to protect us! From ourselves of course.
–Richard J. Daley, Mayor of Chicago, 1968
I’m old enough to remember 1968, and I really don’t enjoy the flashbacks.
So very, very true.
No, I disagree. The police aren’t the cause looting and violence, and society does have the right to uphold the law. (Yes, even if the protesters think they represent
99% of us.)
1)I am not aware of any looting going on at these rallies.
2)The police almost always escalate the situation to a level it hadn’t reached before. And yes, violence is how they disperse large groups and reestablish order.
3)Uphold the law? That’s honestly what you think is going on.
Hm. Some truth in your post.
Mark Shea has some thoughts about the protestors and violence here, where he describes them as “largely rather harmless”.
I’m posting this link for those thoughts but mainly because of the Colbert clip embedded in it which made me laugh like a drain.
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/markshea/2011/11/attack-of-the-ninnies.html
… the protestors are described as “largely harmless”, not the violence.
julian, Im sorry if I made my post overly simplistic. The point about looting and violence was that there definitely are situations where riot gear is legitimately necessary and violence had already gotten out of control before the police showed up. That was the main reason I took exception to the post and following comments; the image that the mean ‘ol police are always beating on the innocent little protesters. Still, with regards to OWS, saying the police escalate the situation is like saying I escalate the situation when I tell my 2 yr old she has to stop eating candy. Sure she’d be more peaceful if I politely asked her over and over, but we all know its not going to happen until I take it all away. I protesters refuse to stop breaking a law, then they need to be arrested, and more power to the police if they chose to wear protective equipment.
actuallyserious650, the appropriate analogy would be you grabbing a paddle and carrying it with you every time you felt you needed to tell your two-year-old something. Except, of course, that the police have used their non-protective equipment (also quite visible in the picture) on several occasions.
[…] I put up a picture of police in formation in riot gear, with the caption, “You can always tell who came to start […]
Oh, do consider growing up. It’s bracing.
Besides, I’m sure you’re the brand of ingrate who’d go screeching to the police demanding an immediate response if someone frightened you or stole your favorite pricey electronic . . . whatevers.
Actually, a few weeks ago our car was broken into. We filed a police report online like any other grown-ups. No screeching involved. We didn’t have to throw away the Constitution to do it either.
What I actually am is the sort of person who knows enough good cops to know that protecting and serving can be done without assaulting people peaceably exercising their civil rights.