11 Signs you Might Be an MRA

Reblogged from here:

1. You have no problem with the gender wage gap. But you hate having to pay for dates.

2. You insist that it’s a scientifically proven fact that men are stronger than women. But you complain about society believing that it’s worse for a man to hit a woman than for a woman to hit a man.

3. You believe that the age of consent is unfair and that there’s nothing wrong with having sex with teenage girls. But when you find out that a teenage girl enjoys sex, you believe she’s the biggest slut in the world.

4. You hate when a woman automatically assumes that a man is a douchebag before getting to know him. But when you like a woman who likes another man, you assume he’s a douchebag just because he’s not you.

5. You believe that if women want equality, they should be drafted into the military. But you also believe that the military is not a place for women.

6. You hate when women assume that men are like wild animals. But you believe that a woman who doesn’t cover up and make herself invisible to men is just like someone wearing a meat suit around wild animals.

7. You hate the fact that men are bullied for not conforming to their male gender roles. But when you find out that a man disagrees with your beliefs about women’s rights, your immediate response is to try to emasculate him by comparing him to a woman as an insult.

8. You hate when women assume that there are no nice guys. But you call yourself a nice guy and act like it’s a rare quality that should cause women to be all over you.

9. You hate when women assume that men just want to get laid. But when you find out that a man is a feminist, you assume that he’s just doing it to get laid.

10. You hate when women make generalizations about all men. But when a woman calls you out for being sexist, you claim that all men think like you.

11. You insist that women should be responsible for protecting themselves from being raped. But when they follow the one piece of advice that actually works, which is being aware of red flags, you complain about them assuming that all men are rapists.

From a t-shirt, that, frankly, would just give people a reason to stand there and stare at your chest for half an hour trying to make all the text out.

Also, if I wore it, people would totally assume that I was just trying to get laid.

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11 Signs you Might Be an MRA

208 thoughts on “11 Signs you Might Be an MRA

  1. 202

    …. Are you sure you’re not a feminist? You’re spooking me out here.

    Those Kinder Surprise “for girls” ads, where we see a little girl playing dress up in her mother’s small walk-in, then mom shows up and the narrator goes “we now have them, for girls”.

    The candy and it’s toys are banned in the US for some obscure 1938 FDA reason about embedding small pieces into food (even though it’s in a capsule that won’t accidentally open, inside the hollow chocolate egg) meant for 3+ years old kids. But it’s not banned in Canada, so we got them here.

    The ad makes me cringe, because I’ve tried the (rather cheap) small toys, and there’s nothing masculine overall about them. And chocolate isn’t a masculine food either. You have small 5 cents worth cars that can’t run (wheels don’t work, and are entirely in plastic), a swing set, small figurines.

    Here’s a “set” someone collected.

    http://www.jukate.ru/eng/catalog/kinder-steckfiguren-ausland.htm

    But having “for girls” stuff creates a stigma, while ironically, when a company specifically goes out of its way to create a “for boys” out of a gender-neutral product, they might kill the quality!

    Look at hair dyes, for men dyes are half the quantity for the same price, and you get to choose between 8 colors…instead of the 400 colors for unisex (but with women on the package). It also assumes all men have short hair. I needed 2 unisex packages to dye my hair completely, when I was 21 and wanted it in blue-black – I’d have probably needed 5 of the “for men only” packages (I have rather thick hair and it’s pretty long).

    When a “for men” product is created, it’s usually to kill stigma about a certain product being “for girls only”, usually due to female-only aggressive advertising (given how many all-female ads of make-up I’ve seen, vs zero with any male, I wouldn’t be biased to conclude that they never intended it for men, even as a secondary market – same for hair dyes that aren’t to cover grey hair (just to have good-looking hair, a new color, highlights, or for kicks)).

    So they create the distinction for some unknown reason, knowingly cutting off half their market, then create a secondary cheaper brand to “get back” that market.

    I don’t understand the logic in alienating half your customer base to pander to stereotypes.

    Aren’t Lego sets showing both boys and girls playing, and as a game understood as a unisex game?

    It seems the for girls thing is trying to fix what isn’t broken, and the for boys thing is a follow-up from willingly and intentionally breaking it.

    It seems the only products that seem unaffected by aggressive female-only advertising is foods not considered girly (yogurt is, but pizza isn’t, even if a woman buys your Delissio) and cleaning products (everyone needs to clean once in a while, it’s not “gay” to do so).

    And where aggressive male-only advertising seems to alienate women is muscle cars and pick-up trucks, stuff already considered pretty masculine.

    Tell me if I missed some.

    I do wonder why advertisers are so invested in the idea of making their consumer base insecure about their sex identity to a point where they buy a product or associate strongly with a heavily-gendered product/item/action so others recognize their sex correctly.

    Doing so increases sexism and sex polarization in culture, for no good reason (not any beneficial to said society anyways).

  2. 203

    What a wonderful list of lies. It amuses me. in a sad way, that the MRM is now undergoing a similar “demonization” that feminism has been subject to for years. Here’s what many *actual* MRAs would say in response. (These are not all my opinions, but I am both an MRA and a feminist, and I do not believe these two ideas are mutually exclusive.)

    1. The standard gender wage gap is a flawed measure, due to differences in hours worked and differing priorities between (a majority of) men and women, such as the vast difference between the number of women taking maternity leave versus men taking paternity leave (if offered). Referring to the standard aggregate data and saying “women make 80 cents for every dollar men make,” while true, is still disingenuous. However, this observation on its own does not discredit the idea of gender discrimination in the workplace. A more telling statistic would be the hourly wage (or salary) for men and women performing the same jobs. As a society we should do everything we can to make sure various fields (such as STEM) with major gender imbalances are not actively discriminatory, and that at no stage in development should children be pushed to study certain things (but not others) solely based on their genders.

    2. Violence is not justified unless in self-defense. It is possible for this to be a man defending from an attack from a woman, but this is far less common than the reverse. Police and other emergency responders for domestic disputes should not automatically assume a man is at fault.

    3. (This is the biggest strawman I’ve ever seen. Who even says something like this? Statutory rapists, that’s who, not MRAs. Stop deliberately trying to confuse the two.)

    4. (Replace “Statutory rapists” with “Insecure assholes in their early 20s.”)

    5. Women should be eligible for the draft. The draft is typically cited by MRAs as an example of discrimination against men, namely due to the idea that young men are disposable.

    6. Women, and men, deserve to be treated with respect and not to be objectified. The stereotype that men are unable to control their sexual urges, and that women should be responsible for this, is an antiquated idea and a very dangerous one at that.

    7. (Sorry, but this item was an outright lie. MRAs simply do not do that.)

    8. Being a “nice guy” is well, nice, but no one needs to have sex with you because of it. Anyone who plays this card deserves pity, not a medal.

    9. (See #7.)

    10. Generalizing by gender is what caused this whole mess in the first place. We should stop doing it.

    11. No one should rape. No one should willingly place themselves in danger of being raped (or having any crime committed against them for that matter). Just because a rape victim was out at night in a shady area, that doesn’t magically absolve the rapist of guilt.

    There you have it. I know this will probably be ignored (almost certainly by the author), but I hope *someone* reads this and realizes that the ideas of the MRM and of feminism are completely compatible. Everyone’s championing for equality, no? Then let’s stop pretending that feminists are man-hating vagina monsters and that MRAs are a hate-group made up of rapists.

  3. Bob
    205

    Johhnyboy said:

    “11. No one should rape. No one should willingly place themselves in danger of being raped (or having any crime committed against them for that matter). Just because a rape victim was out at night in a shady area, that doesn’t magically absolve the rapist of guilt. ”

    This isn’t the main kind of rape that feminists say takes place. Only about 4% of women will experience forced rape in their life, which isn’t an insignificant number. That number is only about 30% of the 1 in 6 women are raped that feminists give.

    It means that the vast majority of “rapes” are accomplished with zero force, zero coercion, zero restraint, zero violence – I.E. they’re not rape – as the “victim” is free to leave at any time.

    That is the greatest lie I’ve ever been told by feminists and I will never forgive them for telling it.

  4. Els
    207

    Bob: Are you actually that stupid?

    The victim is not “free to leave any time.” FORCED means just that. If someone’s scared of violence occurring if she says no, or is coerced, then consent does NOT occur. By definition, ALL rape is forced. Stop pulling statistics out of your ass, you moron.

    Another shining example of how ignorant and misogynist MRAs are.

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