Obama on religion

Whatever else he may be — and however much he’s been chastised for being too centrist and too slow in tearing apart the remnants of Bush and Cheney’s near dictatorial regime — he is 100% correct here. I’m sure someone will post suggesting that this makes him evil or something. I’d say he’s pragmatic about religion, and believes in separation of church and state — and thank the Flying Spaghetti Monster for that!

Hat tip to The Good Atheist.

Obama on religion
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6 thoughts on “Obama on religion

  1. 1

    He is a Christian. Asshole.

    It wasn’t until after college, when I went to Chicago to work as a community organizer for a group of Christian churches, that I confronted my own spiritual dilemma.

    I was working with churches, and the Christians who I worked with recognized themselves in me. They saw that I knew their Book and that I shared their values and sang their songs. But they sensed that a part of me that remained removed, detached, that I was an observer in their midst.

    And in time, I came to realize that something was missing as well — that without a vessel for my beliefs, without a commitment to a particular community of faith, at some level I would always remain apart, and alone.

    And if it weren’t for the particular attributes of the historically black church, I may have accepted this fate. But as the months passed in Chicago, I found myself drawn – not just to work with the church, but to be in the church.

    For one thing, I believed and still believe in the power of the African-American religious tradition to spur social change, a power made real by some of the leaders here today. Because of its past, the black church understands in an intimate way the Biblical call to feed the hungry and cloth the naked and challenge powers and principalities. And in its historical struggles for freedom and the rights of man, I was able to see faith as more than just a comfort to the weary or a hedge against death, but rather as an active, palpable agent in the world. As a source of hope.

    And perhaps it was out of this intimate knowledge of hardship — the grounding of faith in struggle — that the church offered me a second insight, one that I think is important to emphasize today.

    I don’t much care for the views espoused by his Science Czar back in the 1970s and strongly hope that they have since changed (and they likely have, because that book was written during a time when the public at large was scared of the “overpopulation” boogeyman and were looking to scientists to find ways to prevent overpopulation from happening). I do not agree with forced sterilization and I do not agree with forced abortion. I am an agnostic atheist, which means I am “secular”, where “secular” means “not-religious” rather than your intended meaning, being “demonic”. As I am “secular” and do not support either of these horrid crimes against humanity by an authoritarian state, that means you are wrong in suggesting that “secularism” supports this stuff. I am a counterexample.

    I do agree that abortion is between a woman and her doctor, and if the doctor says the woman must abort, then that abortion should be safe and legal. I believe that abortions should be reduced to as low a number as possible, by providing birth control methods to the underprivileged like condoms and the pill; and by providing real sex education to teenagers before they go out and get themselves pregnant by believing ridiculous things about pregnancy. I believe that “abstinence only” results in unwanted pregnancies and dangerous situations for young children that are then forced to have abortions because otherwise they AND the babies would die.

    I believe also that abortion should be the mother’s choice in the first trimester before the baby has any semblance of humanity, I believe it should be the mother’s and doctor’s choice combined in the second trimester, and I believe it should be the doctor’s choice only in the third trimester. That means no butchery of fetuses when they are very nearly babies like all your stupid posters depict, unless it’s medically necessary because the health of the mother is at stake.

    If at any point Obama suggests that abortions should be forced or sterilization should be forced, then I will fight against him right alongside you. Until that point, shut the fuck up about abortions. You don’t know why abortions happen. You just assume that they happen because moms want to eat ice cream instead of raising babies, because you’re an incurious, religiously brainwashed fool.

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    Obama is a great example of a religious secular humanist. He is a person that has mixed some ideas from Christianity with secular hamanism.

    I completely agree, except for “hamanism”. What is that, the desire that all pigs treat one another with respect and do whatever possible to preserve and advance the safety of all pig-kind?

    I disagree strongly that he does not act in accordance with Scripture. He does not act with YOUR INTERPRETATION of Scripture. You are not the be-all and end-all of what qualifies a person to be a True Scotsman — I mean Christian.

    The man is a theist. He believes in God, and he believes God is good, and he believes that doing good things for others is good because God will smile on him for it. Everything he says and does comes from his idea of God, which I would argue is a much kinder, and better for humanity as a whole, God than yours is.

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    Obama is dangerous as a result. He supports the fact that American’s have killed 60 million babies so far.

    In addition, Obama believes in forced population control efforts. His new science czar believes that women ought to be sterilized after hitting a max. number of kids.

    Obama is certainly a secularist as this is the type of stuff they support.

    I wish he were a Christian who would support an end to the killing of innocent lives!

  4. 4

    Obama is a great example of a religious secular humanist. He is a person that has mixed some ideas from Christianity with secular hamanism. He is not a Christian in the traditional sense because he does act in accordance with Scripture. When he uses the word ‘Christian’, he really means a religious Secular Humanism which argues that the truth of God’s Word cannot be known.

    If you do a little research, the church he went to believed in Liberation Theology which is really a pure form of secularism with the idea of God attached to it.

    I wish he was a Christian though; however, I have seen no evidence of it yet other than his statements which people like you misinterpret.

  5. 5

    More hate. Liberals are rapists for trying to level the playing field for everyone. How dare liberals try to make sure rules are in place so nobody can rampantly abuse the system like conservatives have been doing for the past forty fucking years. How dare they protect those that cannot protect themselves. That’s just like rape!

    Do you have absolutely any morals whatsoever? For someone who claims to have a monopoly on morals you sure are the most morally bankrupt and intellectually bereft person I have ever had the extreme displeasure to have trolling my blog. Just stop. Go post all this junk on your own blog. I have never tried to comment at your blog because not only do I know you’d never let dissenting opinion out of moderation, I’m also incapable of proselytizing and I don’t have the unmitigated gall to just stand in front of someone for a month straight and spew nonsense like you do.

    Go preach your crazy somewhere else, you will never ever win any converts here.

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    Christianity teaches that people ought to love people. Liberlism on the other hand believes in forcing people to ‘love’ each other. Forced love is a form of rape. Liberals rather than promote the love of God are more interested in forcing people to do stuff.

    Obama’s health care reform has included forcing doctors to do abortion or suffer the consequences in the courts as just one example!

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